If humans can't unite on religion, is there a purpose to religion?

[Truthseeker]

And describe the "spiritual eye". And how does an ordinary, fallible mortal know it's real versus imaginary?

Sorry, I made a misstatement. Reason goes hand-in-hand with the spiritual eye. If an inspiration is contradicted by reason or experience, it's probably untrue. For me, a spiritual eye might go like this: If what I am reading seems to be the voice of God, that might be a "spiritual eye". I'm sure different people would define this in a different way. You describe yourself as a Buddhist. It would be different for you. I don't know your views, but sometimes Buddhists don't believe in God. For you, it might be perceiving in a more direct manner what the Buddha is saying, not just understanding it intellectually, but in a deeper manner. A spiritual eye for me could be similar to this, immersing myself in Baha'u'llah's words, pondering them closely until I have certitude in them.

As you can see, a spiritual eye is hard to define.

 

[rational experiences]

Humans first think concepts for God sciences.

Mass atmosphere natural not separated.
Mass earth not separated.

Science used to force separation. By science.

Religion formed in every nation.

Advice about life sacrificed in every nation. Happened to everyone in various moments. Radiation UFO science caused by human choice fallout.

Said human same equal DNA once was owned separated. Chemical converted. Brain changed. Mind changed. Language changed.

Science of God stated medical advice separated the origin human unity and family.

Told.
Taught and agreed in every nation.

DNA family now just nation owned nation expressed WAS separated.

The teaching.

The teaching said hence accept your brother and his owned nation human DNA teaching as it meant the same as ours. Life has been attacked by God life of human harmed. The same.

Yet as DNA is now separate it will cause a human condition self idolisation. Also warned.

 

[Trailblazer]

God promises that He, by means of his Kingdom will remove wickedness from the earth.

How do you believe that God will remove wickedness from the earth by means of his Kingdom?
Do you have any Bible verses to back up what you believe?

 

[F1fan]

Of course. When I make a statement, I can substantiate it. Unlike you of course.

Do some research about Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Thung. Both Atheists. In the name of atheists they did more atrocities than you will ever find any world leader do anything close to that in the name of any religion. Ever in history.

This old broken record. That their government rejected religion for political reasons does not mean they were atheists with an intent to advance atheism. Plus it's not as if religion has prevented theists from being immoral. The Confederate South slaveowners were Baptists. And the Germans of the Holocaust were Lutheran and Catholic. So you might be calling leaders of non-theistic governments as if their non-believe is relevant, but you have to explain the many theists who have done the same.

 

[Truthseeker]

So why are there so many religious people who are bad?

Religious and spiritual are two different things. One can be religious and not spiritual. Many religious people are not spiritual.

Humans tend to unite over common problems. Unfortunately we have more and more disinformation and more people who reject science and expertise. Many Conservatives reject climate change, and oil companies ignoring it for commercial gain, so there's an . ongoing struggle to implement global policies aimed to reduce greenhouse emissions. So we cannot even unite to save our planet.

There comes a point where the situation becomes so bad as in climate change where reality can't be denied. That situation does not exist yet. Pray that more people will wake to the danger before things get really horrendous.

 

[Truthseeker]

Does that include the Baha'i Faith?

Yes.

 

[F1fan]

No I'm not conceding that.

So then how are the beliefs of Christians relevant to those on another continent whose religious beliefs and culture differs?

Any building looks terrible while it's being built. The stones are rough and not smoothed until they're polished and built up.

So you're suggesting Christianity is in a crude and incomplete form that is still in progress? Is the some 41,000 sects part of this process? How do you explain the massive division?

 

[F1fan]

Religious and spiritual are two different things. One can be religious and not spiritual. Many religious people are not spiritual.

Humans tend to unite over common problems. Unfortunately we have more and more disinformation and more people who reject science and expertise. Many Conservatives reject climate change, and oil companies ignoring it for commercial gain, so there's an . ongoing struggle to implement global policies aimed to reduce greenhouse emissions. So we cannot even unite to save our planet.

There comes a point where the situation becomes so bad as in climate change where reality can't be denied. That situation does not exist yet. Pray that more people will wake to the danger before things get really horrendous.

I suggest the more religious a person is the less spiritual they are. The greed for truth tends to distort what wisdom is. If you're a seeker of truth it could be that your searching might throw you off from what you seek.

 

[firedragon]

This old broken record.

Not good enough. That same answer can be given to you for everything. "This old broken record".

 

[F1fan]

Hi,
Good point, the God I'm referring to is the God of the bible.

Psalm 83:18 " That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah...You alone are the Most High over all the earth."

The God of the Bible is also theGod of the Quran and the Mormon Bible, and the Urantia Book. So this God is evolving a lot and I would suggest this should be very troubling to believers in these traditions. It must be a naive and immature God that has a lot to learn, or may have a breakdown.

 

[F1fan]

Not good enough. That same answer can be given to you for everything. "This old broken record".

I see you can't offer a retort, as I expected. You trapped yourself with that one.

 

[F1fan]

Not good enough. That same answer can be given to you for everything. "This old broken record".

Here's some advice, before you accuse "atheists" of committing atrocities make sure theists don't have a history of the same thing.

 

[MikeF]

Thank you for your reply. Good point about an agreed Constitution, and according to Scripture, unless damaged, we come equipped with an 'in-born conscience' and because of conscience is why even the nations without law do the things of the law. For example: universally murder and stealing are wrong.
To me the path that Jesus presented started way back with the first prophecy found at Genesis 3:15.
In other words, that promised ' seed ' (Messiah) could appear any time in history.
The majority of mankind have lived and died without the opportunity to put faith or belief in Jesus as Messiah.
In other words, people who died before Jesus died can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection.
Or, as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 says there ' is going to be ' (a future) a resurrection.....
Even none of the faithful of Hebrews chapter 11 (they died before Jesus) are yet resurrected - Hebrews 11:13,39.
This physical resurrection will take place on Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth.
Then, all resurrected ones (John 3:13) back to Abel will have the opportunity to of 'reaching the goal ', so to speak.
In other words, the majority of people will have the same original opportunity to live on Earth forever as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
(A heavenly resurrection is only for people like those of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18; Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10)

Are you saying that those who are Christian and die knowing Jesus's message go to heaven when they die, but everyone that died before Jesus is in some type of holding pattern?

 

[F1fan]

Are you saying that those who are Christian and die knowing Jesus's message go to heaven when they die, but everyone that died before Jesus is in some type of holding pattern?

That was Limbo in Catholicism because of the question you ask. I think the direct question was what happens to children who die and can never accept Jesus as that requires a certain level of brain development. But even Limbo sucks because it doesn't give credit to the innocent. I think the Church has gotten rid of it due to the bad PR Limbo created in modern times.

 

[firedragon]

I see you can't offer a retort, as I expected. You trapped yourself with that one.

Yeah. I just gave you back your own statement. Keep going.

 

[firedragon]

Here's some advice, before you accuse "atheists" of committing atrocities make sure theists don't have a history of the same thing.

Haha. Same thing right back at you. The main reason I even brought this up.

Very well said.

 

[Truthseeker]

I suggest the more religious a person is the less spiritual they are. The greed for truth tends to distort what wisdom is. If you're a seeker of truth it could be that your searching might throw you off from what you seek.

Definitely a different perspective. I guess as a Buddhist you don't consider yourself religious. For you, the truth finds you? I don't consider the search for truth to be greed, or if it is greed, it is greed used in the right way.

Most people don't really look for the truth. Regards!

 

[F1fan]

Definitely a different perspective. I guess as a Buddhist you don't consider yourself religious. For you, the truth finds you?

I'm not religious.

Truth isn't something else separate from the human mind. It has no consciousness or intent. It's just an abstraction.

I don't consider the search for truth to be greed, or if it is greed, it is greed used in the right way.

The problem starts when people think it can be found by searching. If you don't know what what truth is, how does a person know when they find it? See how it's a trap?

Most people don't really look for the truth. Regards!

Some of those folks are the one's who find it.

Of course it's not that they find it, it's that its a realization.

 

[Neuropteron]

So this God is evolving a lot and I would suggest this should be very troubling to believers in these traditions. It must be a naive and immature God that has a lot to learn, or may have a breakdown.

Hi,
Yes that would be troubling if true.
It is reassuring to know that Jehovah does not change.
Malachi 3:6 " I am Jehovah, I have not changed".

This of course is not true of all God's.

 

[Neuropteron]

How do you believe that God will remove wickedness from the earth by means of his Kingdom?
Do you have any Bible verses to back up what you believe?

Hi,

Dan 2:44-...
Mat 4:23
Matt 6:33
1Cor 15:24
Eph 5:5
Rev 12:10