Salam
The Quran when argues for Mohammad (s), sometimes does from the viewpoint "say he was a forger", that still God would establish a rope from him, connect humanity through his words of light, and appoint them chosen kings.
It also argues that say Mohammad (s) was a liar, still, you should allow people freedom to decide whether he is a true Prophet or not, and not oppress people, but face the Quran which is claimed to be from God or his messages aside from that (The Sunnah) with reason.
It also because Mohammad (s) would be an oppressor to himself and towards God if he was a forger, says, this claim (that he is forger requires proof) or even more so, that his claims to proofs and the scripture ought to be given a chance regardless and they ought to be handled, rather then personally attack the Messenger as a person.
This is because the chance of someone being a Messenger from God is not something trivial. Even if we are sure x person is not appointed by God, others might believe, and so instead having emotional battle, intellectual proofs is what is required.
That said, I believe the Quran although very clear in that there is no divine scripture to be revealed to humanity (end of Nubuwa), we must be cautious and present proofs regarding Bahaism to being a false religion if we are going to assert it.
It's not good enough if we personally know, but we must present proofs.
Although there is many ways of tacking this issue, to me, a clear way is that if Quran is confirmed then a true understanding of it must be presented.
A lot of focus has in this case, been on the seal of Prophets verse, and Baha'allah interpretation of it. But I will focus on something that has a whole other arsenal in the Quran for it.
I will focus on the day of rising/judgment or the last day per Quran. There is in fact two days of God left per Quran, the Mahdi rising is one, and the end of the world and resurrection of people of the grave is another.
Days of God includes days like when Moses was sent with clear miracles, and a universal day where miracles will be open in public again, is coming. This is one of the days of God or the hour or awaited moment in the Quran. The consequences if humans oppress believers and reject the clear signs of God in form of miracles are such that not a city will remain but be destroyed before the day of judgment or punished severely.
Now another important day of God is the actual day of judgment that all humans will be risen to face. I will argue that the interpretation by the asserted Prophet of Bahais that the day of judgment pertains to him and all of the talk is metaphoric prophecies about him, doesn't stand to reason when we investigate the verses about the day of judgment.
This is my assertion that I should prove to Bahais. Although it should be clear to everyone, I understand, to Bahais, it's not necessarily clear to them, and so I will try to contextualize the day of judgment in the following ways:
1] With respect to the chapter itself
2] With respect to other verses about the day of judgment
3] With respect to the clearest display of signs of God and accountability, and why faith is not accepted on that day, and it's too late to repent and be good.
4] With a dialogue about language and obtuse nature of humans with respect to scripture in not applying rules of language to God's words
After I believe my work is done in this thread, I will bring another proof against it which is the concept of the family of the reminder and the sacred number of Twelve with respect to successors of each initializing Leader from God with respect to his family in another thread.
And finally, after those two are done, I will have a dialogue about seal of Prophets verse in another thread, which is still a proof in itself.
I believe in presenting these three proofs in three threads, starting with this one about last day, I would have done justice to Bahais as far my disbelief in their Prophet goes and done as Quran says "bring your proof if you are truthful".
With peace and blessings.
The Quran when argues for Mohammad (s), sometimes does from the viewpoint "say he was a forger", that still God would establish a rope from him, connect humanity through his words of light, and appoint them chosen kings.
It also argues that say Mohammad (s) was a liar, still, you should allow people freedom to decide whether he is a true Prophet or not, and not oppress people, but face the Quran which is claimed to be from God or his messages aside from that (The Sunnah) with reason.
It also because Mohammad (s) would be an oppressor to himself and towards God if he was a forger, says, this claim (that he is forger requires proof) or even more so, that his claims to proofs and the scripture ought to be given a chance regardless and they ought to be handled, rather then personally attack the Messenger as a person.
This is because the chance of someone being a Messenger from God is not something trivial. Even if we are sure x person is not appointed by God, others might believe, and so instead having emotional battle, intellectual proofs is what is required.
That said, I believe the Quran although very clear in that there is no divine scripture to be revealed to humanity (end of Nubuwa), we must be cautious and present proofs regarding Bahaism to being a false religion if we are going to assert it.
It's not good enough if we personally know, but we must present proofs.
Although there is many ways of tacking this issue, to me, a clear way is that if Quran is confirmed then a true understanding of it must be presented.
A lot of focus has in this case, been on the seal of Prophets verse, and Baha'allah interpretation of it. But I will focus on something that has a whole other arsenal in the Quran for it.
I will focus on the day of rising/judgment or the last day per Quran. There is in fact two days of God left per Quran, the Mahdi rising is one, and the end of the world and resurrection of people of the grave is another.
Days of God includes days like when Moses was sent with clear miracles, and a universal day where miracles will be open in public again, is coming. This is one of the days of God or the hour or awaited moment in the Quran. The consequences if humans oppress believers and reject the clear signs of God in form of miracles are such that not a city will remain but be destroyed before the day of judgment or punished severely.
Now another important day of God is the actual day of judgment that all humans will be risen to face. I will argue that the interpretation by the asserted Prophet of Bahais that the day of judgment pertains to him and all of the talk is metaphoric prophecies about him, doesn't stand to reason when we investigate the verses about the day of judgment.
This is my assertion that I should prove to Bahais. Although it should be clear to everyone, I understand, to Bahais, it's not necessarily clear to them, and so I will try to contextualize the day of judgment in the following ways:
1] With respect to the chapter itself
2] With respect to other verses about the day of judgment
3] With respect to the clearest display of signs of God and accountability, and why faith is not accepted on that day, and it's too late to repent and be good.
4] With a dialogue about language and obtuse nature of humans with respect to scripture in not applying rules of language to God's words
After I believe my work is done in this thread, I will bring another proof against it which is the concept of the family of the reminder and the sacred number of Twelve with respect to successors of each initializing Leader from God with respect to his family in another thread.
And finally, after those two are done, I will have a dialogue about seal of Prophets verse in another thread, which is still a proof in itself.
I believe in presenting these three proofs in three threads, starting with this one about last day, I would have done justice to Bahais as far my disbelief in their Prophet goes and done as Quran says "bring your proof if you are truthful".
With peace and blessings.
