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About disposal of my dead body

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Finally I completed the writing of how my son should dispose my dead body. Here is that for your perusal (so that I could make any changes if required):

Instruction / Request for the disposal of my body after my death:

The main thing that you ned to understand is that though I am a staunch Hindu, I do not believe in superstition, I believe in science. I do not believe in Gods and Goddesses. I am what they term as "Brahmavadi". What that means, you can check with people like Vijaya Chachi (Vijaya, your Tamil aunt) who may know what it means. I want a disposal without any fanfare or mantras. I know all the mantras and their value. I do not want them after I am dead, not even the Gayatri Mantra. I am not an Arya Samaji. And the Gayatri Mantra in RigVeda does not contain "Om, Bhuh, Bhuvah, Swaha". That is a later addition. Therefore, here is what is to be done:

1. The Arthi (carriage):

After death, I would not need any bed. Therefore, do not get a "phatte wali seedhi". The wooden plank only increases the weight of the arthi. it does not in any way convenience the body. Just the bamboo seedhi will do.

After death, the body feels no heat or cold. So, covering the body with shawls does not make any sense. You should not put any shawls on my body. Just the white sheet of cloth will do.

After death I cannot see or smell flowers. Therefore, putting flowers on my body is a useless exercise. Kindly do not do that.

It is customary to put a photograph and a burning lamp near the head of the dead body. I am not photogenic (though in my younger days I was mentioned as good-looking, lean, mop of black hair, fair complexioned, bluish-green eyes and a perfectly-shaped straight caucasian nose). Therefore, do not waste your effort and time to have my photograph or burn any lamp. My lamp would already have been extinguished by that time.

You can take the arthi to the temple. I may be an atheist, but I am still a Hindu and love and respect Hindu culture, its Gods and Goddesses. That will be perfectly OK.

2. At the cremation ground:

As I said, I do not want any mantras. Pay the Shamshan brahmin his fee but ask him not to recite any mantras whatsoever. You can go through the motions of circling my body three times and break the pitcher. At the funeral pyre also, you can go around three times before lighting the fire (Agni dana).

A very imporant thing is to have my funeral pyre at the ground level and (if possible) in a funeral pit that is open to sky. Do not, I repeat, do not have my body cremated in a funeral pit which is at a higher level. That is for diginitaries and I am a common man.

Ghee and samagri are OK because that is to let the fire burn my body quickly and camoflage the smell of burning body.

After cremation, do not make an announcement as to when the bones are to be collected. Those who will come will come and it will not concern many others who will choose not to come. It is a silly / foolish practice to burn a bunch of straw after cremation, and the whole congregation to circle it three times with a piece of straw in the mouth. Kindly do not do that after my funeral. That is why no announcement.

3. Immersion of ashes:

There is no need to go all the way to Haridwar. That is a full day’s journey. Immersion of ashes in Garh Mukteshwar will be perfectly all right and it is at half the distance than Haridwar. Mother Ganges flows there also. Here again, pay the brahmin his fee (don’t be fleeced), ask him not to utter any mantras and allow you to peacefully immerse the ashes in Mother Ganges. That will require half the time that you would have spent in going to Haridwar.

4. After the funeral:

I do not want any ‘chautha’ (fourth-day remembrance) to be held (with my enlarged photograph on the dais and prayers) after my death. I do not believe in prayers. I know you will like to have a ‘griha shanti’ ceremony because you are superstitious people, but kindly make sure that you do not do it in my name. Instruct the brahmins accordingly. Ask them not to mention me or say anything about how pious I was. It will embarass me even in my death.

I do not want any remembrance ceremonies after my death (no dasvi, 10th, gyarahvi, 11th, or terahvi, 13th) that also means no ‘masavar’ (monthly remembrance), no six monthly remembrance (chhamahi), nor the yearly remembrance (Shraadhha) at any time.

Also, do not put my photograph on the wall (do not hang me on the wall). When I am gone, I have completely and surely gone – like Buddha said - “gate, gate, para gate, para samgate”.

I hope you will dispose my dead body according to the instructions mentioned above. Thanking you in advance. :)
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I wouldn't mind if a loved one places a photo in remembrance.

I would see it as something specifically for them as I wouldn't be cognizant nor care in death. Upon their own death it will pass anyways and the photo itself will be impermanent.

Myself I wouldn't care, as I told my wife to dispose of my body as she saw fit.

Maybe it's different in a religious context.

I'm sure a loving family will honor last wishes.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
As I mentioned, I am not photogenic. That is why not my mug in my 'avatara', though I was not much different than the boy in the image. ;)
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I am sure your family will honor your wishes @Aupmanyav . These are what is important to you and the best way to honor your memory.

As I do not believe in life after death either, to me, funerals are for the living, not the dead. It is a means of closure and recognition that someone has passed away and a coming to terms with the loss, which could go on for some years if it is someone close. Grief is an expression of love.

I want a no fuss funeral too and a cremation so that my ashes can be scattered and become part of nature and feed other living things. I would like my ashes scattered in a beautiful place that is meaningful to my family and close enough to visit and remember me as if I am there in that beautiful place.

I have a firm belief in the resurrection, so my Creator does not need a single molecule of my original body in order to re-create me. My family knows my wishes.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I mentioned, I am not photogenic. That is why not my mug in my 'avatara', though I was not much different than the boy in the image. ;)
Useful, it did cross my mind coming to RF the first few months
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Instruction / Request for the disposal of my body after my death:
Nicely done

I would be surprised if they do exactly as you asked, because you asked so many details (Hindus maybe do not like vey much). But if their words and deeds are one (as it should) then probably they will

At least in Holland they say:
1) Honor the dead their final wish

Your final wish was clear and simple, just 1 wish "I hope you do what I said above" ;)
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
It is my understanding that it pure superstition to think that the body is the totality of what and who you are, but if that is your belief, go for it!
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
As I do not believe in life after death either, to me, funerals are for the living, not the dead. It is a means of closure and recognition that someone has passed away and a coming to terms with the loss, which could go on for some years if it is someone close. Grief is an expression of love.
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Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead, you go and proclaim the truth of God." Luke 9:60. Metaphorically he is implying that those who are more concerned about attending funerals than the duty of proclaiming the truth of God are spiritually 'dead'.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
@Aupmanyav
I often skim through posts, but your OP... I read every word.

I will go and look at the Garh Mukteshwar on google maps, right after this. I'll bet that it is a big river, anyway.

I had to find out what everything means in English, but this is the best, I think..... I'll try to remember this, Aup:-

..............gate, gate, para gate, para samgate
“Going, going, going on beyond, always going on beyond.......” (..... to Buddha?)
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead, you go and proclaim the truth of God." Luke 9:60. Metaphorically he is implying that those who are more concerned about attending funerals than the duty of proclaiming the truth of God are spiritually 'dead'.
This was in response to a man whom Jesus invited to be his follower....
"Now as they were going along the road, someone said to him: “I will follow you wherever you go.” 58 But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” 59 Then he said to another: “Be my follower.” The man said: “Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father.” 60 But he said to him: “Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and declare abroad the Kingdom of God."

It was about excuses offered for why someone would put off that invitation to be Jesus' follower....the man's father was not yet dead, but he used him as an excuse to put off becoming a disciple.

We all have to die sometime, so why not prepare loved ones by making them aware of our wishes?

My son has told me that he will defer to his wife's wishes because he doesn't really care one way or another. Its a personal choice.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Finally I completed the writing of how my son should dispose my dead body. Here is that for your perusal (so that I could make any changes if required):

Instruction / Request for the disposal of my body after my death:

The main thing that you ned to understand is that though I am a staunch Hindu, I do not believe in superstition, I believe in science. I do not believe in Gods and Goddesses. I am what they term as "Brahmavadi". What that means, you can check with people like Vijaya Chachi (Vijaya, your Tamil aunt) who may know what it means. I want a disposal without any fanfare or mantras. I know all the mantras and their value. I do not want them after I am dead, not even the Gayatri Mantra. I am not an Arya Samaji. And the Gayatri Mantra in RigVeda does not contain "Om, Bhuh, Bhuvah, Swaha". That is a later addition. Therefore, here is what is to be done:

1. The Arthi (carriage):

After death, I would not need any bed. Therefore, do not get a "phatte wali seedhi". The wooden plank only increases the weight of the arthi. it does not in any way convenience the body. Just the bamboo seedhi will do.

After death, the body feels no heat or cold. So, covering the body with shawls does not make any sense. You should not put any shawls on my body. Just the white sheet of cloth will do.

After death I cannot see or smell flowers. Therefore, putting flowers on my body is a useless exercise. Kindly do not do that.

It is customary to put a photograph and a burning lamp near the head of the dead body. I am not photogenic (though in my younger days I was mentioned as good-looking, lean, mop of black hair, fair complexioned, bluish-green eyes and a perfectly-shaped non-curved Aryan nose). Therefore, do not waste your effort and time to have my photograph or burn any lamp. My lamp would already have been extinguished by that time.

You can take the arthi to the temple. I may be an atheist, but I am still a Hindu and love and respect Hindu culture, its Gods and Goddesses. That will be perfectly OK.

2. At the cremation ground:

As I said, I do not want any mantras. Pay the Shamshan brahmin his fee but ask him not to recite any mantras whatsoever. You can go through the motions of circling my body three times and break the pitcher. At the funeral pyre also, you can go around three times before lighting the fire (Agni dana).

A very imporant thing is to have my funeral pyre at the ground level and (if possible) in a funeral pit that is open to sky. Do not, I repeat, do not have my body cremated in a funeral pit which is high. That is for dginitaries and I am a common man.

Ghee and samagri are OK because that is to let the fire burn my body quickly and camoflage the smell of burning body.

After cremation, do not make an announcement as to when the bones are to be collected. Those who will come will come and it will not concern many others who will choose not to come. It is a silly / foolish practice to burn straw after cremation, and circle it three times with a piece of straw in the mouth. Kindly do not do that after my funeral.

3. Immersion of ashes:

There is no need to go all the way to Haridwar. That is a full day’s journey. Immersion of ashes in Garh Mukteshwar will be perfectly all right and it is at half the distance than Haridwar. Mother Ganges flows there also. Here again, pay the brahmin his fee (don’t be fleeced), ask him not to utter any mantras and allow you to peacefully immerse the ashes in Mother Ganges. That will require half the time that you would have spent in going to Haridwar.

4. After the funeral:

I do not want any ‘chautha’ to be held (with my enlarged photograph on the dias and prayers) after my death. I do not believe in prayers. I know you will like to have a ‘griha shanti’ ceremony because you are superstitious people, but kindly make sure that you do not do it in my name. Instruct the brahmins accordingly. Ask them not to mention me or say anything about how pious I was. It will embarass me even in my death.

I do not want any remembrance ceremonies after my death (no dasvi, gyarahvior terahvi) that also means no ‘masavar’ (monthly remembrance), no six monthly remembrance (chhamahi), nor the yearly remembrance (Shraadhha) at any time.

Also, do not put my photograph on the wall (do not hang me on the wall). When I am gone, I have completely and surely gone – like Buddha said - “gate, gate, para gate, para samgate”.

I hope you will dispose my dead body according to the instructions mentioned above. Thanking you in advance. :)
One is simply embarrassing one's son or giving tension to him, I understand. What does he say, please? Right?

Regards
 

SalixIncendium

Qur'an Reciting Transtheistic Mahdi Claimant
Staff member
Premium Member
Very detailed and elaborate instructions. Also, it was very interesting to learn more about Hindu death rituals.

As for me, my instructions are simple...
  1. Do what you feel is appropriate.

As I see it, post-death ritual is for the living left behind, not for the dead.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I want a no fuss funeral too and a cremation ..
How come you want a cremation? That is not the normal Christian way. Cemeteries also are nice places and there must be some around your place where the family could visit your grave. In a grave also you are one with the nature (and do not waste any fuel or electricity). A grave gives a solid connection to the living with the dead. Moreover, one can frolic in the night if one is buried. Cremation gives one no such chance.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
One is simply embarrassing one's son or giving tension to him, I understand. What does he say, please? Right?
What tension? I have made it as easy as it can be for him, having cut out all expenses. The brahmins do not want much. The official rate in Delhi is something like USD 8 (Indian Rupees 500) at the time of cremation and around the same for immersion of bones. One can immerse the ashes in Mother Yamuna with no cost. Mother Yamuna also will take the remains to Mother Ganges when it joins it in Prayag Raj (the King of Confluences). Of course, the cost of wood will vary. It is high in these Corona times.
"Do what you feel is appropriate."
If I say that, it will cost him a lot of money, effort and time. That is why I am not saying that.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
.. those who are more concerned about attending funerals than the duty of proclaiming the truth of God are spiritually 'dead'.
Yeah, as you perhaps know, my views are different. I am a strong atheist and I do not believe in Gods or Goddesses or in existence of soul. I do not believe in rebirth of any sort. When I die, I merge in the elements from where I arose.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Thanks, Aup. It's a great reminder that we all should put stuff in writing. If not, trouble can ensue.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
How come you want a cremation? That is not the normal Christian way. Cemeteries also are nice places and there must be some around your place where the family could visit your grave. In a grave also you are one with the nature (and do not waste any fuel or electricity). A grave gives a solid connection to the living with the dead. Moreover, one can frolic in the night if one is buried. Cremation gives one no such chance.

Aup, it's becoming very common here in the west to have cremation, and then bury the urn. For each burial plot, 6 urns placed. They use a common post auger to dig. It saves money for the family, and often satisfies all sides.
 
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