How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[Skywalker]

That is why the world would see Jesus no more but that is not what Jesus was talking about in that verse.
Why can't Christians just face reality? Jesus is not coming back to this world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus was talking about Him leaving to ascend to heaven. What Does John 14:19 Mean?

"After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.
John 14:19(NASB)

The sudden shock of hearing that Jesus was leaving to go back to the Father must have been desperately disturbing for the disciples, but Jesus quickly started to explain.. that although they could not go with Him at that time, their physical separation from Him would only be temporary. Jesus was going to prepare a heavenly abode for each one of them, and unless He went away the many benefits that were planned for believers.. and the glorious mysteries surrounding the Church.. which would be later revealed through the apostle Paul - would not be able to be realised.
Up to this point God was using Israel to be His witnesses to a lost and dying world, but they had rejected their Messiah Who would soon be crucified on Calvary's cross. As a result Israel was set aside until Christ's second coming. But in the meantime the Church was to be the organism through which God would now continue to carry out His sovereign plans and purposes.. for the redemption of the world.. And in this chapter Jesus begins to explain to His disciples, some of the things which would happen between the time of the cross and the coming kingdom - between Calvary and the millennial rule of Christ.. between the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and His triumphant return as King of kings and Lord of lords.

He told them that in a little while He would be gone.. and the world, which had rejected Him would no longer see Him. But although He was going away, to prepare a heavenly home for them - nevertheless He promised that would still be with them.. for both He and the Father would come to them and dwell within the body of all believers - in the near future!
They would not see Him physically but they would see Him with their spiritual eye of understanding, and He promised to one day return to take all who love and trust in Him, to be with Himself into heaven. Although the disciples must have been bewildered by the suddenness of this disclosure, Jesus assured them that He would be with us in spirit and in truth and He also promised to send another Helper to guard and guide his children.. a Teacher to guide us into all truth.. a Counsellor to be with us in times of difficulty and danger.. a Comforter to comfort us in our sorrows - a Helper to help in times of trouble. Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirt of truth Who was already with them - but would one day dwell in all who believe.

 

[Skywalker]

"I am no longer in the world, He prayed, for He was returning to the Holy Father in heaven, and yet they themselves are in the world. His faithful followers were to remain in the word and continue the work that Jesus Himself had begun - a ministry of reconciliation. They were the ones that God would use to spread the good news of the glorious gospel of redemption to a lost and dying world - a world that was drowning in trespasses; dead in their sin and eternally separated from the almighty God."

Source: What Does John 17:11 Mean?

But that is not what the verse says. This verse has nothing to do with Jesus telling the apostles that He was going to use them to spread the gospel to the world after he ascended to heaven.... NOTHING.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Jesus returning to God the Father doesn't mean that he wasn't going to return. What Does John 14:19 Mean?

"After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.
John 14:19(NASB)

The sudden shock of hearing that Jesus was leaving to go back to the Father must have been desperately disturbing for the disciples, but Jesus quickly started to explain.. that although they could not go with Him at that time, their physical separation from Him would only be temporary. Jesus was going to prepare a heavenly abode for each one of them, and unless He went away the many benefits that were planned for believers.. and the glorious mysteries surrounding the Church.. which would be later revealed through the apostle Paul - would not be able to be realised.
Up to this point God was using Israel to be His witnesses to a lost and dying world, but they had rejected their Messiah Who would soon be crucified on Calvary's cross. As a result Israel was set aside until Christ's second coming. But in the meantime the Church was to be the organism through which God would now continue to carry out His sovereign plans and purposes.. for the redemption of the world.. And in this chapter Jesus begins to explain to His disciples, some of the things which would happen between the time of the cross and the coming kingdom - between Calvary and the millennial rule of Christ.. between the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and His triumphant return as King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus returning to God the Father doesn't mean that he wasn't going to return. What Does John 14:19 Mean?

Unless Jesus is going to come back as the invisible man, that is what it means.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

But even that won't work because this verse says:

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

And Christians say I don't know what the Bible says.

 

[RabbiO]

It isn't their fault. They've been taught from childhood to reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They do occasionally convert. One of my favorite bishops was a nice Jewish boy from Russia.

 

[Trailblazer]

It isn't their fault. They've been taught from childhood to reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They do occasionally convert. One of my favorite bishops was a nice Jewish boy from Russia.

You might have better luck it you just taught that Jesus was a prophet or a holy man, because it is clear to Jews that Jesus is not the Messiah they have been waiting for since Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies for the Messiah of the messianic age. Mind you, Jesus was not supposed to fulfill those prophecies back in His day because that was not the messianic age.

 

[Skywalker]

You might have better luck it you just taught that Jesus was a prophet or a holy man, because it is clear to Jews that Jesus is not the Messiah they have been waiting for since Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies for the Messiah of the messianic age. Mind you, Jesus was not supposed to fulfill those prophecies back in His day because that was not the messianic age.

The Messiah would do A, B, C, first, and then, X, Y, and Z. Real Messiah

Traditional Judaism believes at least three different things regarding the arrival of the Messiah (see 3.22-3.23): (1) there are two Messiahs, who will each come once, (2) there is one Messiah, who will either come with the clouds or riding on a donkey, depending on the spiritual state of Israel at the time, and (3) there is potentially one Messiah in every generation, which must be recognized for who he is, and the people must be worthy to receive his revelation. In recent years, a fourth position has been introduced by Chabad: the Messiah (Rabbi Schneerson) will be resurrected and then will return and reign as king.

All of these contrast with the biblical position which has one Messiah coming from the line of David, yet greater than David, a king and yet a priest, first suffering and dying for the sins of Israel and the world, then returning in triumph and judgment. Yeshua is this one and only Messiah, whose coming was prophesied in the Hebrew Bible. He came at the appointed time, but due to the unworthiness of that generation, he was rejected, suffered and died. God knew this would happen and foreordained that the Messiah's death would atone for the sins of the world. He used this great evil and injustice to bring about the greatest good. When the end of the age arrives, when my Jewish people recognize Jesus as the Messiah and call upon him to return, Jesus will come again joyfully, this time on the clouds of heaven as Daniel envisioned, and Jerusalem will be established as the center of his kingdom. This view is much more biblical than the multifarious traditional views.

Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

A careful look at Old Testament prophecies shows an underlying assumption of two advents. Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 7:14 predict the first advent. Separately, Isaiah 53:8–9 predicts a suffering and dying Messiah, who will be given life and greatness according to Isaiah 53:11–12. Daniel 9:26 describes the Messiah being killed after His appearance. At the same time, prophets such as Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) say this same “pierced” Messiah will be seen again by His enemies. So the clues are there.

 

[Trailblazer]

Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

"All in all, the Hebrew Scriptures indicate that the Promised One would appear, be cut off, and then reappear in victory. The first advent has occurred; the second is still future. Both the New and Old Testaments predict a second advent of the Messiah."

All in all, the Hebrew Scriptures indicate that the Promised One would appear, be cut off, and then reappear in victory. The first advent has occurred; the second has occurred. Both the New and Old Testaments predict a second advent of the Messiah.

 

[Skywalker]

"All in all, the Hebrew Scriptures indicate that the Promised One would appear, be cut off, and then reappear in victory. The first advent has occurred; the second is still future. Both the New and Old Testaments predict a second advent of the Messiah."

All in all, the Hebrew Scriptures indicate that the Promised One would appear, be cut off, and then reappear in victory. The first advent has occurred; the second has occurred. Both the New and Old Testaments predict a second advent of the Messiah.

That is why the prophecies of the messianic age will be fulfilled when Yeshua returns. Real Messiah

there is only one Messiah and he has come right on schedule, and when the time is right, he will come again. On that day, our people as a nation will recognize Yeshua for who he is and will turn back to God in repentance.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is why the prophecies of the messianic age will be fulfilled when Yeshua returns. Real Messiah

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

 

[rational experiences]

Humans as men as scientists claim to get messages from God in data AI not natural conditions.

Know because men science theists caused it by the machines they designed that caused natural to change.

Natural not science changes.

So. Man identified that natural changed advised him.

But natural changed was because of machine practices.

So natural first would never own a Messiah. As human logic.

Science says science is about one body only the presence stone god with all forms dusts chemical or mineral. Science actually in reality human life.

Heavens he says totally natural only owning burning gas light. Natural light.

Natural light says man theist thinking supports life continuance.

Gases alight burning in a vacuum.

No message. No Messiah.

Science human choice not practiced human subject first self human observation.

Messiah theme brain life body effect after nuclear science was practiced in dusts both mineral and chemical.

Fact of human memory.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That is why the prophecies of the messianic age will be fulfilled when Yeshua returns. Real Messiah

Too late. He had his chance.

 

[Skywalker]

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

The context of John 14:19 is about the resurrection of Jesus, not about the second coming of Jesus. John 14:19 In a little while the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live.

But ye see me--i.e., in the spiritual presence of the Paraclete. The words may indeed have their first fulfilment in the appearances of the forty days (comp. Acts 10:41), but these appearances were themselves steps in the education which was leading the disciples from a trust in the physical to a trust in the spiritual presence. (Comp. John 20:17.) To the world the grave seemed the closing scene. They saw Him no more; they thought of Him as dead. To the believers who had the power to see Him He appeared as living, and in very deed was more truly with them and in them than He had been before.

Because I live, ye shall live also.--Better, for I live, and ye shall live. Our Lord speaks of His own life in the present. It is the essential life of which He is Himself the Source, and which is not affected by the physical death through which He is about to pass. They also who believe in Him shall have even here this principle of life, which in them too shall be affected by no change, but shall develop into the fulness of the life hereafter. Because He lives, and because they too shall live, therefore shall they see Him and realise His presence when the world seeth Him no more.

 

[Skywalker]

Too late. He had his chance.

The Old Testament mentions the Messiah's second advent. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

A careful look at Old Testament prophecies shows an underlying assumption of two advents. Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 7:14 predict the first advent. Separately, Isaiah 53:8–9 predicts a suffering and dying Messiah, who will be given life and greatness according to Isaiah 53:11–12. Daniel 9:26 describes the Messiah being killed after His appearance. At the same time, prophets such as Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) say this same “pierced” Messiah will be seen again by His enemies. So the clues are there.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The Old Testament mentions the Messiah's second advent. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

Not replying since you are only pasting a link.

 

[Skywalker]

Not replying since you are only pasting a link.

The Old Testament mentions a suffering and dying Messiah, and the Messiah being seen again by His enemies. Isaiah 53:8-9 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, vwho considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.

Isaiah 53:11-12 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall bthe righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Daniel 9:26 mentions the Messiah being killed after His appearance, and Zechariah 12:10 mentions the Messiah being seen again. And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

 

[shunyadragon]

Someone can follow Jesus and keep their culture and the two go beautifully together. Is Christianity a white man’s religion? | GotQuestions.org

No people in reality do not keep their culture when they become Christian, because they give up their own religion which is the basis of their original culture.

Yes Christianity is dominantly a 'White man's' religion. Just take a look at the pictures of Jesus and God that dominate the history of Christianity.

 

[Skywalker]

No people in reality do not keep their culture when they become Christian, because they give up their own religion which is the basis of their original culture.

Yes Christianity is dominantly a 'White man's' religion. Just take a look at the pictures of Jesus and God that dominate the history of Christianity.

Abraham broke with the faith of his father. Abraham's father, when he was Abram, was an idol worshiper. Jewish scriptures tell us that and rabbinic tradition expounds on that very richly. Abram broke with the faith of his father, because what his father believed at that time, was wrong. If you look at some of the major movements in Jewish history, those of you who think Hasidic Judaism is good and positive, that created such a terrible breach when it happened in the 1700s, that the greatest rabbinic authority of the day, the vilna gaon, excommunicated the Hasidic Jews. They broke with it, because they were convinced that some of the traditions or traditional expressions or way the things were carried out-it became legalistic.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The Old Testament mentions a suffering and dying Messiah

No it doesn't. Your references proved nothing. for example, you went back again to Isaiah 53, which you have been told is not about the messiah. You never learn. You think if you repeat the same things enough times, it will convince me. In fact, it only serves to irritate me.

 

[Skywalker]

No it doesn't. Your references proved nothing. for example, you went back again to Isaiah 53, which you have been told is not about the messiah. You never learn. You think if you repeat the same things enough times, it will convince me. In fact, it only serves to irritate me.

The Old Testament prophets didn't predict that the Messiah would suffer and die. Yes, Isaiah 53 and other passages foretold a suffering servant. However, it was completely hidden from the disciples that the Son of Man must fill the role of the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 before he comes in the power and glory of God's Kingdom." In other words, the Old Testament predicted a Messiah and a suffering servant, but not that the Messiah would be the Suffering Servant. The Bible isn't there to tell us everything about everything, it can't, it's a limited document. 2 Timothy 3:15

and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes, Isaiah 53 and other passages foretold a suffering servant. However, it was completely hidden from the disciples that the Son of Man must fill the role of the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 before he comes in the power and glory of God's Kingdom."

It's not that it was hidden. It's that it's not really a legitimate interpretation.