Not even one border crisis meeting on Harris schedule. Not Today! Baw hahahaha!

[Valjean]

Valjean said: ↑

Agreed!
Fix the Central American narco-states that fuel the migration.

Trump offered but countries like Mexico refused.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/05/trump-says-us-is-ready-to-help-mexico-wage-war-on-drug-cartels.html

Offered military aid? It was US military aid that messed up so many Central and South American countries in the first place.
And Mexico? Who said anything about Mexico? I was referring the Central American sources of the recent waves of immigrants, specifically, Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatamala, and I have in mind something more like a Marshall Plan than sending in the marines -- we've already done that multiple times.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Valjean said: ↑

Agreed!
Fix the Central American narco-states that fuel the migration.
Offered military aid? It was US military aid that messed up so many Central and South American countries in the first place.
And Mexico? Who said anything about Mexico? I was referring the Central American sources of the recent waves of immigrants, specifically, Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatamala, and I have in mind something more like a Marshall Plan than sending in the marines -- we've already done that multiple times.

Most cut through Mexico.

 

[esmith]

Valjean said: ↑

Agreed!
Fix the Central American narco-states that fuel the migration.
Offered military aid? It was US military aid that messed up so many Central and South American countries in the first place.
And Mexico? Who said anything about Mexico? I was referring the Central American sources of the recent waves of immigrants, specifically, Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatamala, and I have in mind something more like a Marshall Plan than sending in the marines -- we've already done that multiple times.

So oh wise(?) one what do you suggest be done.
Now Now, let's get specific, none of this typical "fix it" responses.

 

[metis]

Go after the root cause of the problem.

The gangs.

The real root is too many Americans and some others buying so many illicit drugs.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course we would storm the border of the US like the migrants from other Countries are doing, especially if we get free stuff and benefits like the reports say. Who wouldn’t? Except pretty soon the US will be just like those Countries when the dollar crashes, Democrats have no ideas for success other than temporary measures of printing more money. Take a look at the debt clock 28+ Trillion now. Be 30+ soon and now the infrastructure bill, lol. Who is responsible for paying the taxes? You and I not any of the leaders who are making these bad, irresponsible decisions.

You should look into what Republican presidents ran the debt and deficit up so high. That is, if you're trying to blame it on Democrats.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The real root is too many Americans and some others buying so many illicit drugs.

That's why American politicians now want to get into the drug dealing business.

 

[metis]

That's why American politicians now want to get into the drug dealing business.

Where did you come up with this idea in the context of "illegal immigration", or are you referring to something else?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You should look into what Republican presidents ran the debt and deficit up so high. That is, if you're trying to blame it on Democrats.

It’s the House of Representatives who sets budgets and spending. Of course it’s both parties, both are at fault and they’ve done a great job dividing us and fighting each other while they enrich themselves and bankrupt the Country. Notice how they aren’t held accountable for the debt, we are. They cause most of our problems and benefit themselves. Democrats again have no solutions other than more government intervention, printing money and give aways to bribe and pay for votes. How about letting people live in freedom and stop the fear mongering about the flu, climate change, racial injustice garbage they continue to push.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where did you come up with this idea in the context of "illegal immigration", or are you referring to something else?

US border is not open to those without legal permission

 

[Kooky]

US border is not open to those without legal permission

Crossing borders shouldn't be a crime to begin with.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Crossing borders shouldn't be a crime to begin with.

It's been like that as long as I can remember.

Like a fair number of animals, we evolved to have territories and domains.

 

[metis]

US border is not open to those without legal permission

It's not that simple:
An asylee—or a person granted asylum—is protected from being returned to his or her home country, is authorized to work in the United States, may apply for a Social Security card, may request permission to travel overseas, and can petition to bring family members to the United States. Asylees may also be eligible for certain government programs, such as Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance.

After one year, an asylee may apply for lawful permanent resident status (i.e., a green card). Once the individual becomes a permanent resident, he or she must wait four years to apply for citizenship...

To help ensure that the United States does not violate international and domestic laws by returning individuals to countries where their life or liberty may be at risk, the credible fear and reasonable fear screening processes are available to asylum seekers in expedited removal processes. Importantly, while the process described below is how asylum seekers should be processed under law, at times CBP officers do not properly follow this process. Additionally, CBP officers sometimes subject asylum seekers to various new policies created by the Trump administration in 2019 and 2020 which are described in greater detail below.-- Asylum in the United States

 

[ElishaElijah]

Crossing borders shouldn't be a crime to begin with.

Crossing borders isn’t a crime, neither is it a crime to go to your house and walk in, right?

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's not that simple:
An asylee—or a person granted asylum—is protected from being returned to his or her home country, is authorized to work in the United States, may apply for a Social Security card, may request permission to travel overseas, and can petition to bring family members to the United States. Asylees may also be eligible for certain government programs, such as Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance.

After one year, an asylee may apply for lawful permanent resident status (i.e., a green card). Once the individual becomes a permanent resident, he or she must wait four years to apply for citizenship...

To help ensure that the United States does not violate international and domestic laws by returning individuals to countries where their life or liberty may be at risk, the credible fear and reasonable fear screening processes are available to asylum seekers in expedited removal processes. Importantly, while the process described below is how asylum seekers should be processed under law, at times CBP officers do not properly follow this process. Additionally, CBP officers sometimes subject asylum seekers to various new policies created by the Trump administration in 2019 and 2020 which are described in greater detail below.-- Asylum in the United States

Asylum is a legal way to enter the US. We are talking illegal immigration.

 

[metis]

Asylum is a legal way to enter the US. We are talking illegal immigration.

Many group the two together, thus not differentiating between them. Depending on circumstances, they can and sometimes do relate though.

This kind of confusion of terms is why some of us prefer using "undocumented aliens" in reference to the people versus "illegal immigration", as the legality or illegality would have to be determined as my link showed.

 

[Left Coast]

Asylum is a legal way to enter the US. We are talking illegal immigration.

You're aware that the vast majority of immigrants from the Northern Triangle attempting to come to the US right now are here seeking asylum, yes?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You're aware that the vast majority of immigrants from the Northern Triangle attempting to come to the US right now are here seeking asylum, yes?

That’s a nice sentiment, too bad people aren’t honest and take advantage of generosity and ruin it for the people who need the protection.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Many group the two together, thus not differentiating between them. Depending on circumstances, they can and sometimes do relate though.

This kind of confusion of terms is why some of us prefer using "undocumented aliens" in reference to the people versus "illegal immigration", as the legality or illegality would have to be determined as my link showed.

Confusion is from dishonest people especially the media and government. The current “voter suppression” narrative is the same thing as the illegal immigration issue. Anyone who doesn’t want ID’s for voting and verification or verification of who comes into the Country and why, in my opinion is either naive or their intention is to cheat.

 

[Kooky]

It's been like that as long as I can remember.

Do you subscribe to the idea that, because something has been "like that" for more than a human generation, we must neither question its morality nor its utility?

Like a fair number of animals, we evolved to have territories and domains.

Most animals don't get into a hissy fit over people crossing imaginary lines that only exist on maps, nor do most animals live under a specific nation-spanning hierarchy that is delineated (sorry for the pun) by just such lines. Indeed, the majority of animals are crossing human borders willy-nilly in accordance with their own animal needs, not caring particularly about our sensibilities when it comes to these issues.

And in fact, animal territories tend to be fuzzy, temporary, and essentially subservient to the needs of their animal nature, and not at all the kind of fixed line-in-the-sand that modern industrialized humans have become so extraordinarily obsessed with - lines whose existence trumps any and all human need, and exist only to delineate an out-group that can be safely impoverished, brutalized and exploited for the sake of an in-group elite's economic needs.

 

[Left Coast]

That’s a nice sentiment, too bad people aren’t honest and take advantage of generosity and ruin it for the people who need the protection.

What does that mean? The only way for it to be "ruined" is by the policies we, the US, choose to put in place.

Your contention was that we are talking about "illegal immigrants." We are not. We are talking about immigrants legally seeking asylum.