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Putin challenges Biden to a live debate after "killer" comment.

stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Windwalker said:
So you advocate hitting 78 year old men? :)
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I was referring to the Ad Hominem Attack, which Biden started claiming "Putin IS a killer"

Windwalker said:
Seriously, Biden should not dignify Putin by giving him a stage like that.
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Biden made a mistake, he should not have said that; he dishonored himself
Both claim to be Christians living in 2021, not living in barbarian times anymore
(All humans are sparks of the Divine, to claim Putin IS a killer is saying God IS a killer)
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Twilight Hue said:
I know the response if it was a Republican president. It would be , "Bring it on"!

Now that we have a Democrat President, will this be a wimpout or will Biden rise to the challenge?

I know if it was JFK, he'd be there first to head butt Putin with the spirit of Rocky's Eye of the Tiger or are those days over?


.Putin challenges Biden to debate after president calls him a 'killer'

I say yes because an American President dosent back down on a challenge. Bring on the debate!

Or does Putun win by default?
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I don't see how a supposed debate like this would benefit anyone.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
I would prefer Biden and Putin since Biden was the one who started the exchange.

But in the spirit of sending in your "champion" I'd definitely have my money with Hillary. Harris is OK I'd still watch it. I still think Putin would do the debate himself though.
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Did Biden start the exchange? I didn't see the interview in question, but from what I'm able to gather, the comment was in response to a question originated by the interviewer. Apparently, Biden was asked "Do you think Putin is a killer?" Biden said "Yes."

But one has to wonder they even bother to ask these questions or bring it up in the first place. Are the media looking to create drama by themselves?
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
stvdv said:
I was referring to the Ad Hominem Attack, which Biden started claiming "Putin IS a killer"
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That was not an ad hominem attack, attacking the person instead of the issue. But if the issue is the person, then it is not a deflection from the issue. It is identifying the problem declaratively. Therefore it is not ad hominem.

For instance, to say Trump is responsible for the deaths of multiple police officers by inciting a riot at the capital, is not an ad hominem attack. It's assigning responsibility where it belongs.

stvdv said:
Biden made a mistake, he should not have said that; he dishonored himself
Both claim to be Christians living in 2021, not living in barbarian times anymore
(All humans are sparks of the Divine, to claim Putin IS a killer is saying God IS a killer)
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Are you saying being a Christian means you cannot call someone a killer, when they are, such as the ordering of the murders of people? Christians are not allowed to call out evil?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Windwalker said:
For instance, to say Trump is responsible for the deaths of multiple police officers by inciting a riot at the capital, is not an ad hominem attack. It's assigning responsibility where it belongs.
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hmmmmmm......no

I do not recall any speech of execution
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thief said:
hmmmmmm......no

I do not recall any speech of execution
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Red Herring. No one is claiming he order executions, directly in those words. We are however claiming he is responsible for inciting mob violence which resulted in the murder of police officers, all by those who falsely claim to be supporters of the police, and who also falsely claim to be patriots. Although, one might argue he did wish to see Pence face the mob's wrath, who following Trump's lead chanted repeatedly to "hang Mike Pence".

Don't know about you, but it's all very damning to now Citizen Trump who will face charges for all of this.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Windwalker said:
Red Herring. No one is claiming he order executions, directly in those words. We are however claiming he is responsible for inciting mob violence which resulted in the murder of police officers, all by those who falsely claim to be supporters of the police, and who also falsely claim to be patriots. Although, one might argue he did wish to see Pence face the mob's wrath, who following Trump's lead chanted repeatedly to "hang Mike Pence".

Don't know about you, but it's all very damning to now Citizen Trump who will face charges for all of this.
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a great deal of blood has been shed through out history

but of course...if I say to you....stand and fight
and you end up killing someone

that's my fault?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Biden is not quick of mind
maybe you people have noticed

and to answer a question as he did in the interview
clearly notes he has no concept of his position

speaking of foreign officials
as he did

not too bright
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thief said:
but yes.....

Trump wasn't there
and he gave no order to kill
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Fortunately, the law will not understand things like this, and will hold him responsible.

The law is clear about these things. The person inciting violence, doesn't need to actually do the killing themselves with their own hands to be held accountable for those deaths. Trump will be charged with crimes. You should expect that to be coming.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Stevicus said:
Did Biden start the exchange? I didn't see the interview in question, but from what I'm able to gather, the comment was in response to a question originated by the interviewer. Apparently, Biden was asked "Do you think Putin is a killer?" Biden said "Yes."

But one has to wonder they even bother to ask these questions or bring it up in the first place. Are the media looking to create drama by themselves?
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Apparently it seems he views Putin a killer. Along with Russia "paying a price" for election meddling.

White house press secretary Psaki says Biden doesn't regret saying it , so he must have said it at some point somewhere.


 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
stvdv said:
I was referring to the Ad Hominem Attack, which Biden started claiming "Putin IS a killer"


Biden made a mistake, he should not have said that; he dishonored himself
Both claim to be Christians living in 2021, not living in barbarian times anymore
(All humans are sparks of the Divine, to claim Putin IS a killer is saying God IS a killer)
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Putin is a killer.
Putin is not god.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
metis said:
I don't see how a supposed debate like this would benefit anyone.
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It would offer a window on the capabilities of world leaders as it relates to exchanges made.

If Biden cannot debate, then it's clear he will be incapable of effective negotiations for which those skills would be sorely needed for effective policy and outcomes.
 
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