What is the difference?

[SalixIncendium]

That is not even true in most western countries.

Did I say anything about it being true?

But what is true is that there is quite a disparity between what is acceptable is Muslim countries and what is acceptable with the US and parts of Europe.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Women should not be expected to be obedient to men. Beating disobedient women is a sign of weakness. Everyone should have their daughters take martial arts/self defense classes.

If people refuse to have their daughters take a martial arts class, or if their daughters refuse to, should they be beaten?

My daughter didn't want to take one.

 

[crossfire]

If people refuse to have their daughters take a martial arts class, or if their daughters refuse to, should they be beaten?

My daughter didn't want to take one.

No, the classes should not be forced, but should be available if the girl wants to take them.

 

[Altfish]

As a muslim i often hear non muslims complaining about muslim woman wearing hijab.

But why is it no problem when a western female cover her head with a scarf?

Why the big harasment of islam when if we look at history mostly all females was cocering up their hair. Especially within religious practice.

Sometimes non muslims even know why islam still practice use of hijab for female? Did you know that hijab means to be modest both for male and females?

Choice.
The male family members are not telling western females to cover their head with a scarf.
Too often Muslim women feel they have no choice but to wear a hijab.

 

[stvdv]

Hijab seems not the problem at all to me. Muslims being violent when imposing on others what SHOULD be done AND playing the "it's God's advice" guilt card, as a bonus, are.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Choice.
The male family members are not telling western females to cover their head with a scarf.
Too often Muslim women feel they have no choice but to wear a hijab.

How many Muslim women have you discussed this with that led you to this conclusion?

 

[stvdv]

To answer the OP question, this is my opinion,

Seems to me that the first act of violence is done by Muslims imposing on others what they should and/or should not do.

Should we then again also blame the karmic natural and Dharmic reactions to correct this wrong, on the other?

Seems to me a lack of introspection, as you asked me

Note: It would be wiser to address the real problem, the imposing. When solved, all other problems might solve by themselves

 

[Samael_Khan]

As a muslim i often hear non muslims complaining about muslim woman wearing hijab.

But why is it no problem when a western female cover her head with a scarf?

Why the big harasment of islam when if we look at history mostly all females was cocering up their hair. Especially within religious practice.

Sometimes non muslims even know why islam still practice use of hijab for female? Did you know that hijab means to be modest both for male and females?

I have no problem with it in and of itself. To me it is just a cultural practice, much like people wearing tribal masks.

I think the issue might be more to do with whether muslim women are forced to wear it or not. But then in the western world we are forced to wear clothes so it is no real difference to me.

Plus the Hijab isn't a muslim religious mandate, as it is something enforced by certain muslim countries only.

My biggest issue with it, is why men don't wear a hijab as well. Why must a muslim woman cover most of her face and a man mustn't?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I don't have a problem with the garment, but an overall problem with the objectification of women. I find most Abrahamic beliefs to be overly limiting of women's self-actualization, choices and opportunities compared to men and this is reflected in how they're instructed to dress and behave.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

As a muslim i often hear non muslims complaining about muslim woman wearing hijab.

But why is it no problem when a western female cover her head with a scarf?

Why the big harasment of islam when if we look at history mostly all females was cocering up their hair. Especially within religious practice.

Sometimes non muslims even know why islam still practice use of hijab for female? Did you know that hijab means to be modest both for male and females?

I've always thought hijab was specifically for muslim not because of just covering their head, but because of religious beliefs. I was just told catholics only wear veils during mass but not usually in public like muslims do. Non-muslims, I'd say that's cultural appropriation. Anyone can wear a scarf but the manner and reason a muslim wears a hijaab (or catholics a veil) is totally different context.

It's like when I see someone (if I do) wearing a dhoti kurta or sari. I'm sure that's a cultural norm but where I live, it would be totally out of place for non-hindus (if going by majority) unless in a temple.

 

[Altfish]

How many Muslim women have you discussed this with that led you to this conclusion?

2

 

[Altfish]

How many Muslim women have you discussed this with that led you to this conclusion?

Are yo saying that there is no ale pressure for them to wear the Hijab.?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Are yo saying that there is no ale pressure for them to wear the Hijab.?

Im not saying there is or there isn’t. I personally haven’t had any discussions with Muslim women that included asking them if they feel pressured to wear one.

For me to assert there is would be pure speculation.

 

[Brian2]

As a muslim i often hear non muslims complaining about muslim woman wearing hijab.

But why is it no problem when a western female cover her head with a scarf?

Why the big harasment of islam when if we look at history mostly all females was cocering up their hair. Especially within religious practice.

Sometimes non muslims even know why islam still practice use of hijab for female? Did you know that hijab means to be modest both for male and females?

The Burqa seems a bit of much, even for modesty.

 

[firedragon]

As a muslim i often hear non muslims complaining about muslim woman wearing hijab.

But why is it no problem when a western female cover her head with a scarf?

Why the big harasment of islam when if we look at history mostly all females was cocering up their hair. Especially within religious practice.

Sometimes non muslims even know why islam still practice use of hijab for female? Did you know that hijab means to be modest both for male and females?

Its because of "language". Its because of "protocol".

See brother, in some areas there is a particular narrative about something. I know that there are some areas in lets say England where the whole population are fans of one football club. So what happens is, you naturally tend to be born into it, and go with the flow. This Hijab hate narrative is commonplace in some places in the world. When you are there, it is very difficult not to have that narrative. This is all you hear all the time, so its top of mind. You dont really stop to empathise.

I remember there was a video of early 20th century American women wearing a headscarf everywhere. Suddenly the Hijab haters have so much of apologetics and excuses for that video. One excuse is "it was a century ago". Well, times change, but then you must accept that they were Christian women so dont make hate statements against a religion. Its bigotry.

Anyway, that being said, I understand where you are coming from with your last statement about Hijab. Lets see how many people engage with that and how. Interesting.

 

[firedragon]

I think the issue is that in many Moslem societies it is compulsory - not a matter of personal choice

How would that matter in a western country?

 

[firedragon]

Choice.
The male family members are not telling western females to cover their head with a scarf.
Too often Muslim women feel they have no choice but to wear a hijab.

Can you show the research and its findings where the majority of Muslim women "feel they have no choice but to wear a hijab"?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Mandatory for muslim woman, or for every woman?

In Iran, it is Mandatory for all women, Muslim or Non-Muslim.
They think if someone is not wearing hijaab, she is causing corruption.
But I think, they are using it, to control people.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Many of the fanatical or extremists Muslims, who consider West, enemy, or even enemies of God, and Kafir, wear hijjaab. Thus, when a women wears Hijjaab in a western country, some people may think, she is one those extremists.
I know, it is not correct to generalize.

 

[loverofhumanity]

As a muslim i often hear non muslims complaining about muslim woman wearing hijab.

But why is it no problem when a western female cover her head with a scarf?

Why the big harasment of islam when if we look at history mostly all females was cocering up their hair. Especially within religious practice.

Sometimes non muslims even know why islam still practice use of hijab for female? Did you know that hijab means to be modest both for male and females?

I think the hijab is very beautiful and modest and an expression of human diversity. How boring it would if all flowers were the same shape, size and colour?