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Who is Jesus?
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firedragon
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This question would be answered by different people from their own personal perspective. And you will see that in this thread for sure. And everyone will say that with conviction.
Anyway, from a historical perspective, there could be only probabilities. He probably was a rebel, who called himself the messiah, and as 10 to 13 other so called messiahs were killed by the Romans, he was too. Thats it.
I don't know where Jesus asked who is Jesus, but the Bible's Jesus said he was God's Son (John 10:36)
My opinion was that he was an ascended master that took physical birth to teach.
The supreme living thing.
I never called it "hard evidence". However, the evidence I cited was in the post itself. You seemed to have missed it. Rome as a known practice, only executed the leader of nonviolent movements and left the followers alone. If it was a violent movement, they executed both the leader and the followers. Since Jesus alone was executed, and not his followers, this would indicate Rome saw them as a nonviolent resistance movement. That's the evidence.
Therefore, since every indication is that it was a nonviolent movement, he would not be considered a "terrorist" as you suggested in your post. There was no violence associated with it. Where is your evidence he was violent?
I see nothing about his followers being captured. And Rome often executed a ringleader to subdue followers.
The indications it was a non violent movement comes from interpreting the bible that way. However to oppose the emperor was a crime.
Some dead guy.
74x12
Well-Known Member
He's God manifest in human form.
Jesus has nothing to do with Roman religion.
He is many things, but I say now this:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
Other things can be read for example from here:
Who is Jesus?
No it does not come from how some is interpreting scripture. It comes from historians and academics, who know what Rome did in such cases, with citations available.
But then, I do seem to recall you are of the misguided opinion that all opinions are equal, yours as much as any historian or scholar's (what do they know anyway)? Something like that, but I may be wrong and you do respect experts in their respective fields of study and research.
The question isn't a simple one. There are five distinct versions of Jesus in the NT ─ Paul's and each of the gospels ─ built on three distinct Christologies (Paul/John, Mark, and Matthew/Luke) and three different messages (Paul, Mark /Matthew/Luke) and John), with other distinctions and variations of emphasis as well.
So Jesus can have pre-existed in heaven with God and created the material universe before being sent to earth as God's enjoy (Paul, John); he can be an ordinary Jew who became son of God at his baptism (Mark) or at his resurrection (Acts); or he can be the result of divine insemination of a virgin (Matthew, Luke) and have God's Y-chromosome.
And so on. As the Romans used to say, quot homines, tot sententiae, which here might translate as, However many writers, that many versions of Jesus.
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Or these guys
Political Religions in the Greco-Roman World: Discourses, Practices and Images - Cambridge Scholars Publishing
Oh an my opinion comes from studying Roman history +/- 100 years of the fall of the republic with special emphasis on the rise of the Flavian dynasty. Yes, you are wrong, nothing new there then. See how this goes?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
True but it was during the same era where God's and demigods were a big thing.
I typically think of the ancient Roman Catholic Church when Christianity was established.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The man human who sacrificed his man life whose man father had theoried status human sciences as history why his spirit got sacrificed.
Scientist storyteller.
Built the temple pyramid sciences when his spiritual self told him not to. Jesus re iterated. I owned this new teaching. Our holy spiritual father quoted the same before. Do not build reactor sciences.
Do not build sciences hypocrites. You are not God. O energy that formed historic in space body. Where energy is.
Both times spiritual man self teacher wisdom ignored.
As taught by man sciences about man sciences regarding man sciences.
Jesus witnessed man to man father of science.
Scientist storyteller.
Built the temple pyramid sciences when his spiritual self told him not to. Jesus re iterated. I owned this new teaching. Our holy spiritual father quoted the same before. Do not build reactor sciences.
Do not build sciences hypocrites. You are not God. O energy that formed historic in space body. Where energy is.
Both times spiritual man self teacher wisdom ignored.
As taught by man sciences about man sciences regarding man sciences.
Jesus witnessed man to man father of science.
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
My belief is that He is the Son of God who created Heaven and Earth and all things and the Being we rely on for redemption, salvation and any good thing.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Who is Jesus?
I get for one that innocent Jesus s/o Mary was a born Jew, a human being, a truthful Messenger/Prophet of G-d, follower of the teachings/Law of Moses, please. Right?
Jesus was born as a Jew and died a natural death as a Jew said to be at the late age of 120 years, he never was a Christian , had nothing to do with Pauline-Christianity and he never read from the 4 Gospels, I figure. Right?
Regards
I get for one that innocent Jesus s/o Mary was a born Jew, a human being, a truthful Messenger/Prophet of G-d, follower of the teachings/Law of Moses, please. Right?
Jesus was born as a Jew and died a natural death as a Jew said to be at the late age of 120 years, he never was a Christian , had nothing to do with Pauline-Christianity and he never read from the 4 Gospels, I figure. Right?
Regards