The Reason Science Is Flawed

[Audie]

Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

W.I.L.D. (wake induced lucid dream) and W.B.T.S. (wake back to sleep) are just some of the methods you can use to take control of your energy body (dream body)(soul). These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here. I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time. Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

How'd you learn these things

 

[sun rise]

Science does a horrible job at explaining how the universe works. It can't explain anything about the universe especially how any of this came into existence. There are no rules or laws that the universe must follow this is all a mental construct. Maya is a predatory reality, so therefor it is coming from a predatory consciousness which is feeding off your energy when you focus your attention here.

You don't understand science and how science works for starters. To assert the error that science does not explain how the universe works is to deny modern reality and all the products of science such as cell phones and computers for starters.

 

[FocusedIntent]

How'd you learn these things

I have been going out of body since I was a young child for over 30 years. When I was young I suffered from sleep paralysis so I started deep research into the occult and other spiritual matters because I knew that the explanation given by science was a lie.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have been going out of body since I was a young child for over 30 years.

(somebody stop me)

 

[FocusedIntent]

You don't understand science and how science works for starters. To assert the error that science does not explain how the universe works is to deny modern reality and all the products of science such as cell phones and computers for starters.

The physical is merely a reflection of the spiritual. Your science is merely looking at the reflection of the outside of a cell phone and then attempting to explain how the interworking of that phone operate. Another metaphor for you if you don't like that one, your science is a holographic man attempting to understand the inner workings of the projector.

 

[blü 2]

Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe.

You assume there's an objective reality ─ your posting here is based on exactly such an assumption. You also assume that your senses are capable of informing you of that reality. The third assumption is that reason is a valid tool. I don't know anyone who doesn't share the first two of those assumptions, and most people acknowledge the third (but please state clearly if you don't).

Science, of course, shares them all. And the validation of science is not that it has access to absolute truth, but that it works.

The truth is that reality is subjective.

I take it you mean our interpretation of the world external to the self is personal to us, and is influenced by our instincts, upbringing, culture, education and experience.

But nothing of that falsifies our shared assumption that reality is out there.

The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

You say consciousness exists independently of individual brains, then? Really? If that's an accurate statement about reality then there must be a way to detect that independent consciousness in reality. What's the definition of what we're looking for, exactly, so that we'll know where to point our instruments and also know when we've found it?

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature.

What objective test will distinguish the spiritual, the supernatural, the immaterial, from the purely conceptual / purely imaginary?

You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need.

We've known how to induce out-of-body experiences experimentally for more than a decade. They're mental, not objective phenomena. The number of authenticated cases of a subject returning from an OBE with new remote information about reality is zero.

 

[FocusedIntent]

You assume there's an objective reality ─ your posting here is based on exactly such an assumption. You also assume that your senses are capable of informing you of that reality. The third assumption is that reason is a valid tool. I don't know anyone who doesn't share the first two of those assumptions, and most people acknowledge the third (but please state clearly if you don't).

Science, of course, shares them all. And the validation of science is not that it has access to absolute truth, but that it works.
I take it you mean our interpretation of the world external to the self is personal to us, and is influenced by our instincts, upbringing, culture, education and experience.

But nothing of that falsifies our shared assumption that reality is out there.

There is no objective reality. Thought is the creative force thus everything is a creation of mind this is ancient knowledge that all the cultures knew. The reason that everybody is interpreting this predatory parasitic "physical" world in a similar manner is because of your internal dialogue. You have been programmed since your birth and so inside your mind you have internal talk that reinforces that programming telling you how the world is. The entire purpose of meditation is to temporarily disable the internal dialogue so you may catch a glimpse beyond your programming. By changing your internal dialogue you will change the reality you are experiencing. Your beliefs are far more powerful than you know this is why words are swords and what you believe you will experience.

You say consciousness exists independently of individual brains, then? Really? If that's an accurate statement about reality then there must be a way to detect that independent consciousness in reality. What's the definition of what we're looking for, exactly, so that we'll know where to point our instruments and also know when we've found it?

There is not a scientist on the planet that can explain how something physical like the brain could ever give rise to something completely unphysical like consciousness. It simply doesn't happen it is not possible. Matter is a creation of thought and not the other way around. You then ask me how you can use matter to detect thought, you can't. The people that control your society know this, but they teach you lies so that they can more easily manipulate you. It makes sense for a magician to not want you to believe in magic, then you would never try to use magic to fight against their oppression and you would have no chance of ever beating them.

What objective test will distinguish the spiritual, the supernatural, the immaterial, from the purely conceptual / purely imaginary?

The test I have proposed. For you to go out of your body for yourself and don't take my word for it.

We've known how to induce out-of-body experiences experimentally for more than a decade. They're mental, not objective phenomena. The number of authenticated cases of a subject returning from an OBE with new remote information about reality is zero.

They are not mental that is a flawed assumption. You assume that because you see the brain waves doing different things you assume the brain is creating that experience. Again you have it backwards. The souls is having a real experience and because it's consciousness passes through that mind it causes that brain to have different psychological responses.

When you go out of body you go to the astral. If you don't understand what that it, it is the dream world. It is the same place you go during dreaming. When you dream you create a mental environment that is just as real as anything you experience during "waking" time. Here is what is critical to understand. The astral mimics the physical "real" world. You know that it mimics the real world because all your dreams.

The reason that subjects returning from the astral don't have any new information about the physical "real" world is because they were not in the physical "real" world. They were in the astral, but since it mimics the "real" world those inexperienced subjects thought they were experiencing the "real" world when they were not.

I believe it is possible to go from the astral to the "real" world while staying out of body, but it is extremely difficult and very few are capable. When in the physical "real" world the energy body does not want to be here in energetic form it wants to go back into your physical body. You would have to have extreme control of your energy body to accomplish this.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

W.I.L.D. (wake induced lucid dream) and W.B.T.S. (wake back to sleep) are just some of the methods you can use to take control of your energy body (dream body)(soul). These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here. I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time. Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

I'm so sick of the whole "religion trumps science" and "science trumps religion" arguments.

Of course science is flawed. So is religion (or spiritual matters, if that's what you choose to call it).

Science and religion address completely different paradigms. Arguing about which one is more or less flawed or correct is an exercise in futility.

 

[blü 2]

There is not a scientist on the planet that can explain how something physical like the brain could ever give rise to something completely unphysical like consciousness.

Research into consciousness is indeed a work in progress. Your statement implies that you're familiar with it. Tell me, how do you say anesthesia works? How can a drug deprive the subject of consciousness? Talk me through it.

 

[Clara Tea]

If you are standing in the middle of a freeway, an objective reality will soon run over you. I think that objective realities are real.

FocusedIntent claims that anyone can have an out-of-body dream. I think that you are right. I have asserted that such super-natural ability at least proves that the limited world of science should be opened a bit wider. Scientists should prove that such astral-projection is real.

Look at the work of statistics professor Jessica Uts, who worked with the Stanford Research Institute to study ESP.

If we prove that ESP is real, it seems a natural step to show that it is at least possible that a being (such as God) exists.

However, that doesn't mean that all that is written in the bible is correct.

 

[FocusedIntent]

I'm so sick of the whole "religion trumps science" and "science trumps religion" arguments.

Of course science is flawed. So is religion (or spiritual matters, if that's what you choose to call it).

Science and religion address completely different paradigms. Arguing about which one is more or less flawed or correct is an exercise in futility.

I never mentioned any religions except to say that religion is nothing more that a belief system indoctrinated into the masses to control them. Science is nothing more then the new age religion and is full of lies.

On the other hand a soul is what you are and you can experience it for yourself.

Research into consciousness is indeed a work in progress. Your statement implies that you're familiar with it. Tell me, how do you say anesthesia works? How can a drug deprive the subject of consciousness? Talk me through it.

While your consciousness is connected to your body and brain, the brain can effect how much of your consciousness you can access. When you are born most people have a complete memory loss, only a small percent retain past life memories. There is no real memory loss your soul remembers everything, but remember the brain is acting as a filter for consciousness so your consciousness can only squeeze so much consciousness through it. That's why in physical "real life" reality you are not accessing 100% of your consciousness. Even when you are astral projecting you are still not accessing 100% of your consciousness because your still attached to your body vessel.

It is these filters that consciousness uses to create the illusion of separateness because in actuality all is one.

 

[blü 2]

While your consciousness is connected to your body and brain, the brain can effect how much of your consciousness you can access.

But we're not talking about 'my' consciousness, we're talking about this wide-ranging brain-independent consciousness you assert. It's powerless against anything that impedes the brain, you say?

Isn't that instead completely consistent with consciousness being a brain-state (or set of brain-states)?

When you are born most people have a complete memory loss, only a small percent retain past life memories.

I fear there's no polite way to say this ─ that's sheer nonsense. There are no authenticated cases of "past-life memories". None. Not even one.

There is no real memory loss your soul remembers everything

Please define soul ─ what exactly are my instruments looking for? ─ so that if I find a real suspect I can determine whether it's a soul or not.

 

[Quintessence]

I never mentioned any religions except to say that religion is nothing more that a belief system indoctrinated into the masses to control them. Science is nothing more then the new age religion and is full of lies.

Again, I ask - who taught you this and why did you believe them? Far be it from me to rain on someone else's story, but this interpretation of both sciences and religions is so abnormal and bizarre that I am curious where you got these notions from.

I have been going out of body since I was a young child for over 30 years. When I was young I suffered from sleep paralysis so I started deep research into the occult and other spiritual matters because I knew that the explanation given by science was a lie.

That's pretty cool, actually. That said, it's one thing to accept that your personal experiences lead you to a particular worldview and something else to conclude that this means other people's experiences and conclusions are "a lie." After all, if you truly do believe that reality is subjective, there is plenty of room for other paradigms of thought that are, by your own measure, just as correct as yours. There are many ways to tell the story, and if there is no "objective reality" as you say, no story is truer than any other. Including yours.

 

[Deidre]

Science is based on experimenting and observation. It shouldn't be considered ''dogma.'' God and the soul aren't really explaining the state of the universe, as science explains it. So, science isn't flawed if we view it correctly.

 

[ppp]

Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

If you think that reality is subjective, then you must think that no one but you exists objectively.

 

[FocusedIntent]

But we're not talking about 'my' consciousness, we're talking about this wide-ranging brain-independent consciousness you assert. It's powerless against anything that impedes the brain, you say?

You are not experiencing your wide-ranging brain-independent consciousness right now. Your wide-ranging brain-independent consciousness is filtering itself through your brain which creates your human mind that you are experiencing right now. That is why people like to say you need to expand your consciousness. Expanding your consciousness doesn't mean that your growing your consciousness it means that you are opening up your mind to let more of your consciousness filter through.

I fear there's no polite way to say this ─ that's sheer nonsense. There are no authenticated cases of "past-life memories". None. Not even one

How do you know none of them are real? I'll be honest I don't know which are real and which are fake, but I have read about many persuasive cases including instances where children could speak foreign languages they were never taught or exposed to. This is not something I have personal experience with because I haven't recovered any memories, but I do think it is possible.

Please define soul ─ what exactly are my instruments looking for? ─ so that if I find a real suspect I can determine whether it's a soul or not.

Your soul is your full conscious energy. That's what you are is conscious energy. I told you that thought creates matter, matter does not create thought. Using matter to try to detect thought seems like a futile act, but who knows maybe they will create some device that can do it some day I don't know.

Again, I ask - who taught you this and why did you believe them? Far be it from me to rain on someone else's story, but this interpretation of both sciences and religions is so abnormal and bizarre that I am curious where you got these notions from.

Nobody told me this I know how to think for myself. All you have to do is start researching the roots of religion to see that everything comes from the same ancient texts in the middle east. People have been waging wars and killing over the various translations and possible meanings of these text, but at the end of the day these text were all written by man not God. In the original tablets there were many gods not just 1, but the Jews decided to start worshipping only the most powerful god Anu (Yahweh). It only seems like there are more gods than there really are because different cultures that passed on the same stories would give the gods new names. These Gods are representations of the stars and planets because people worshipped the stars and planets in the past

As far as science goes, it is nothing more than propaganda spinning the tale of whatever the global elite want you to believe. In the past it was scientific knowledge that the earth was flat and you could be killed if you said different. Tomorrow all the silly things you believe today will also be proven wrong. Scientists are for hire if you have enough money you could get a study done to prove anything...

Here is a fact for you. The physical world is but a reflection of the spiritual. Since science does not have the tools to study the spiritual, it will never understand where the physical comes from. But you are spiritual in nature, you don't need science you can go there yourself.

That's pretty cool, actually. That said, it's one thing to accept that your personal experiences lead you to a particular worldview and something else to conclude that this means other people's experiences and conclusions are "a lie." After all, if you truly do believe that reality is subjective, there is plenty of room for other paradigms of thought that are, by your own measure, just as correct as yours. There are many ways to tell the story, and if there is no "objective reality" as you say, no story is truer than any other. Including yours.

Anyone that believes they are just flesh and bones is living a lie. You are so powerful you can create a reality based off of a lie if you want. As you believe so shall you experience. I am trying to set people free from these limiting beliefs. Science wants you to believe that you are a random accident that the universe **** out. That makes you powerless if you hold that belief that is why they brainwash people with it in the first place. They want to take away your power and manipulate you into creating the reality they want you to experience which is full of war and greed. If these lies were harmless, then I would say nothing and leave you to enjoy your creation whatever it be, but they are not. You must take your power back and stop believing their lies. When you believe their lies you let them create your reality for you.

 

[FocusedIntent]

If you think that reality is subjective, then you must think that no one but you exists objectively.

We are all souls that are creating subjective realities. We can interact with one another by exchanging energies and ideas.

 

[ppp]

We are all souls that are creating subjective realities. We can interact with one another by exchanging energies and ideas.

Do these souls exist objectively? Or are they subjective too?

 

[oldbadger]

We are all souls that are creating subjective realities. We can interact with one another by exchanging energies and ideas.

Can animals and birds etc do this?

Do you believe in Spirits and that some people can have contact with them?

Do you believe in spiritual healers?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

W.I.L.D. (wake induced lucid dream) and W.B.T.S. (wake back to sleep) are just some of the methods you can use to take control of your energy body (dream body)(soul). These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here. I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time. Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

You have the burden of proof backwards. Scientists can show that they are right by testing their ideas and supporting them with objective evidence. How would you test your ideas? What objective evidence can you provide for your claims? If you have none then it appears that you are only pushing woo woo.