The return of Jesus, the claimants, and the Quran. Is it really real?

[Spirit of Light]

I believe they are true simply because I know what actually happened, which means that Jesus ain't coming back.
But it is kind of a duh moment anyway because a dead man cannot come back to earth. Only His spirit can return, in another man.

I believe you are correct here did not Jesus show him self to some of the disiples after Jesus had resurected? but then in an other human body?
So yes if or when jesus come back, he will look different then last time he was on earth.

My knowledge about the bible is not great, so i might be wrong here.

 

[loverofhumanity]

One has to consider what area ancient Assyria covered and when Micah was written, which was around BC800.

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Problem solved.

Regards Tony

And more importantly, Baha’u’llah declared Himself publicly in that area.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And more importantly, Baha’u’llah declared Himself publicly in that area.

@InvestigateTruth @Trailblazer

Some Notes on Bahá'í Proofs Based on the Qur'an

This is a great link, put together by the National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Central and East Africa on Quran verses about Baha'u'llah, which in turn prove the validity of the return of Christ as per the Bible.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe you are correct here did not Jesus show him self to some of the disiples after Jesus had resurected? but then in an other human body?
So yes if or when jesus come back, he will look different then last time he was on earth.

My knowledge about the bible is not great, so i might be wrong here.

My knowledge about the Bible is not great either but according to the resurrection stories, the same man Jesus appeared to the disciples and other people after He rose from the dead, but I do not believe that ever happened. I believe it was just stories men told. I believe that the soul of Jesus ascended to the spiritual world after His body died on the cross, and that Baha'u'llah was the return of the Christ Spirit that Jesus promised to send from the Father.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

My knowledge about the Bible is not great either but according to the resurrection stories, the same man Jesus appeared to the disciples and other people after He rose from the dead, but I do not believe that ever happened, I believe it was just stories men told. I believe that the soul of Jesus ascended to the spiritual world after He died on the cross, and that Baha'u'llah was the return of the Christ Spirit that Jesus promised to send from the Father.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

That might be true @Trailblazer i do know to little about baha'i and Baha'u'llah to know he was a different form of Jesus or just an other prophet.

My focus is more inward now in sufism. So maybe one day this kind of questions get an answer for me too

 

[Trailblazer]

That might be true @Trailblazer i do know to little about baha'i and Baha'u'llah to know he was a different form of Jesus or just an other prophet.

My focus is more inward now in sufism. So maybe one day this kind of questions get an answer for me too

Baha'u'llah was another Prophet/Messenger of God....
Interesting you mention sufism... For two years, Baháʼu'lláh lived alone in the mountains of Kurdistan like a sufi mystic. He originally lived as a hermit, dressed like a dervish and used the name Darvish Muhammad-i-Irani.

Bahá’u’lláh in Kurdistan: The Holy Man on the Mountain

Alone in the Wilderness

 

[Spirit of Light]

Baha'u'llah was another Prophet/Messenger of God....
Interesting you mention sufism... For two years, Baháʼu'lláh lived alone in the mountains of Kurdistan like a sufi mystic. He originally lived as a hermit, dressed like a dervish and used the name Darvish Muhammad-i-Irani.

Bahá’u’lláh in Kurdistan: The Holy Man on the Mountain

Alone in the Wilderness

I start to like this Bahá'u'lláh dude

 

[Trailblazer]

I start to like this Bahá'u'lláh dude

And the more you know, the more there is to like... I am still learning about His life...
There are lots of u-tube videos, but here is a photographic narrative of The Life of Bahá'u'lláh.

 

[firedragon]

“PERUSED ye not the Qur'án? Read it, that haply ye may find the Truth, for this Book is verily the Straight Path”


Another reference to 89:22 and the ‘Lord’ promised in the Quran


“The second blast hath been blown on the trumpet. On whom are ye gazing? This is your Lord, the God of Mercy.” (Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh)


Again Baha’u’llah is telling Muslims that the ‘second trumpet’ has been blown, the first being the Bab. See how in detail the Quran explains that there will be two Revelations from God!

And so, so much more in the Quran prophesying the appearance of Baha’u’llah. Proof after proof.

“Is there any doubt concerning God? Behold how He hath come down from the heaven of His grace, girded with power and invested with sovereignty. Is there any doubt concerning His signs? Open ye your eyes, and consider His clear evidence.”
(Baha’u’llah)


He says we have been sleeping and now is the time to awaken and see God.

Not relevant to the Question I asked. I asked three times, and you have never answered directly. It is absolutely strange and nonsensical to never answer a question directly. I will not ask again, thanks for responding. Ciao.

 

[firedragon]

By hook or crook, with a lot of effort in almost every single post, the Bahai's have derailed the thread.

 

[CG Didymus]

One has to consider what area ancient Assyria covered and when Micah was written, which was around BC800.

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Problem solved.

Regards Tony

Like I said you stretch the Assyrian Empire to its outer limits to get to Teheran. Then you take the "he" from the KJV, then change it to fit "they" in the other versions, and all the while the context of the rest of the verses are ignored. And Trailblazer says that Baha'is don't depend on these "prophecies" anyway. So matter what... you win. No matter what... Baha'is are always the ones that are right. And that is what's so wrong with it.

 

[CG Didymus]

I am a GIS Technician so I love maps.....
I once posted another map to CG that looked similar to that one.
Problem solved.

Assyria is not Persia. The Assyrians might have conquered part of Persia, so if you want to call Persian Assyria, go ahead. Then do you agree with Tony that "he" or "they" doesn't matter? The banishments and exiles are supposed to be a "prophecy" about Baha'u'llah, not a group of people that traveled with him. Then there is the context. You and Tony don't ever talk about that. You take one verse and make it a prophecy. Then, after all is said and nothing proven one way or another, you say that prophecies don't matter anyway? Then what was God thinking? Giving vague references to things that nobody knows for sure what it is alluding to. The "problem" is only solved in the minds of Baha'is. They readjust the "prophecies" as needed.

 

[CG Didymus]

you won't find Jews or even Christians caring much about what the OT prophecies say.

Really? I thought Jews rejected Jesus, and Baha'u'llah, because neither fulfilled the prophecies concerning the Messiah? Then, Christians have Jesus fulfilling all kinds of prophecies, especially the one about a virgin having a baby boy.

 

[CG Didymus]

“From 457 b.c., when the commandment of Artaxerxes to restore Jerusalem went forth, the measuring line of the 2300 years reaches to the year A.D. 1844. In that year the time of the prophecy came. Then the cleansing of the sanctuary was to begin.”

So the cleaning of the sanctuary began in 1844? So, the desecration of the sanctuary happened in 457BC? And again, the context of the ram and the goat and how one of the leaders is the one who put a stop to the daily sacrifice doesn't matter? So what about Antiochus Epiphanes? He didn't put a stop to the daily sacrifice and desecrate the Temple? Then the Jewish Revolt didn't defeat him and rededicate the Temple? My question has always been... why start the 2300 mornings and evenings from 457BC with the Edict to rebuild Jerusalem? That has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the context of Daniel 8. And to repeat Trailblazer, ultimately, Baha'is to go by these prophecies anyway, because they can't be proven. And they can be manipulated to say and mean whatever a person wants them to say. But then, when, supposedly, did God have these prophets say these things if they become totally useless in proving and predicting anything?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Like I said you stretch the Assyrian Empire to its outer limits to get to Teheran. Then you take the "he" from the KJV, then change it to fit "they" in the other versions, and all the while the context of the rest of the verses are ignored. And Trailblazer says that Baha'is don't depend on these "prophecies" anyway. So matter what... you win. No matter what... Baha'is are always the ones that are right. And that is what's so wrong with it.

By hook or crook, with a lot of effort in almost every single post, the Bahai's have derailed the thread.

The reason being the OP unfolds as it does, is that we see that Baha'u'llah is as claimed, it is the Spirit of Christ that is the return and not Jesus and thus it is that aspect that fulfills Biblical and Quran Prophecies. As such we answer the OP in light of that claim.

The question as to if Jesus is found in the Quran as returning is a simple answer, you will never find anywhere in the Quran that it is Jesus that returns. The Flesh does not return. The OP is answered, thus what other discussion can be had? Unless one wants to know what the Quran does say about a return.

The point CG makes is invalid. A boarder is a boader and Tehran was shown to be within that boarder. That matters not anyway, as Baha'u'llah lived many years well in side that Boarder and Declared His Mission well inside that Boarder

What else can be offered when all prophecy for end of ages point to the Bab and Baha'u'llah and can be shown to be so.

Pick any other claimed Prophet that says they are the Messiah or Midhi and see if the same can be shown.

The world is slowly awakening to our oneness, interesting times ahead.

All the best to all, Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

The reason being the OP unfolds as it does, is that we see that Baha'u'llah is as claimed,

This thread is not about Bahaullah or anyone else. And it is also not if "Bahaullah is the Christ".

The question as to if Jesus is found in the Quran as returning is a simple answer, you will never find anywhere in the Quran that it is Jesus that returns. The Flesh does not return.

Very good. So nowhere can the return of Jesus be found.

So why dont you stop there? Why do you have to somehow bring Bahaullah into it and derail the thread?

Pick any other claimed Prophet that says they are the Messiah or Midhi and see if the same can be shown.

Its not relevant.

Its not relevant. I have repeated this sentence too many times with the Bahai's. Its truly strange you cannot understand that. This is how the Bahai's have derailed this thread. By being irrelevant.

Anyway, so you are saying Jesus's return is not there in the Qur'an.

Does it say anywhere that the Christ will return?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Like I said you stretch the Assyrian Empire to its outer limits to get to Teheran. Then you take the "he" from the KJV, then change it to fit "they" in the other versions, and all the while the context of the rest of the verses are ignored. And Trailblazer says that Baha'is don't depend on these "prophecies" anyway. So matter what... you win. No matter what... Baha'is are always the ones that are right. And that is what's so wrong with it.

The entire context has been explained in detail, in other OP's.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Very good. So nowhere can the return of Jesus be found.

So why dont you stop there? Why do you have to somehow bring Bahaullah into it and derail the thread?

Because it would not be the full answer, it would be a deception of what the Quran offers, it would not be just, it would be narrowing the discussion to a mute point.

Jesus as Christ does return, but it is not the Name Jesus we are looking for.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Does it say anywhere that the Christ will return?

We can consider if this can continue if we can discuss what is meant by 'Christ'. That Jesus was Christ is what the Christain Church was to be built upon, so that would be useful.

Thus we know Christ means 'Annointed One', so can we explore to see if the Quran does offers another Annointed one after Muhammad the 'Seal of the Prophets'. Muhammad was also 'Anointed' with a Message from Allah?

Is a return of an Annointed One talked about in any way?

Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

Jesus as Christ does return, but it is not the Name Jesus we are looking for.

Okay. Then you and your faith is not relevant to the topic.