Audie
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Maybe it is more than two choices but thats beyond the human mind to understand
Uh, no, beyond the imagination and understanding of the author.
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Maybe it is more than two choices but thats beyond the human mind to understand
Explain please
The only difference between a theist and atheist is this:
It doesn't matter if you believe in creationism or evolution for this thought experiment lets go to the source of all things. I am going to call this SOURCE. For theists this SOURCE can be God and for atheists it can be the energy that made up the original big bang it really doesn't matter.
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious.
How did this SOURCE of everything come into existence?
It is 2 possible ways SOURCE came into existence:
1. It has always existed with no beginning and no end.
2. Magically popped into existence from nothingness.
(it was Focusedintent who wrote this, in this tread: Proving logic can't explain existence | Religious Forums)
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious. Thats the only difference between us. very little difference really
I Understand, the Source is G-d or Allah, who has many other attributes that He himself has let us know in Quran without these attributes the Universe was impossible to exist reasonably. Right, please?The only difference between a theist and atheist is this:
It doesn't matter if you believe in creationism or evolution for this thought experiment lets go to the source of all things. I am going to call this SOURCE. For theists this SOURCE can be God and for atheists it can be the energy that made up the original big bang it really doesn't matter.
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious.
How did this SOURCE of everything come into existence?
It is 2 possible ways SOURCE came into existence:
1. It has always existed with no beginning and no end.
2. Magically popped into existence from nothingness.
(it was Focusedintent who wrote this, in this tread: Proving logic can't explain existence | Religious Forums)
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious. Thats the only difference between us. very little difference really
What if someone believes there was some conscious creator of the universe but doesn't see it as a god? What if someone believes in beings they consider gods but not that they created the universe?A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious. Thats the only difference between us. very little difference really
A functional definition of atheism is
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Not all if those gods are claimed as creator gods although, it has been said, around 3800 of them created the universe, most of whom were supposed to be "the one god"
And as i stated in @FocusedIntent thread, the 2 options are logically wrong
1 is a possibility, there are others
2 no magic involved in vacuum bubbles, they have been observed
I Understand, the Source is G-d or Allah, who has many other attributes that He himself has let us know in Quran without these attributes the Universe was impossible to exist reasonably. Right, please?
There is no other reasonable claimant, I understand. Right, please?
Regards
What if someone believes there was some conscious creator of the universe but doesn't see it as a god? What if someone believes in beings they consider gods but not that they created the universe?
You seem to be creating a very restrictive definition on the "theo" that forms the root of those words that isn't consistent with or embracing any of the meanings commonly attributed to it.
Ironically, I am an even stronger believer in your conclusion, since I think two people could have almost exactly the same views of the universe and still be considered (by themselves or others) and atheist and theist. One person could be considered both atheist and theist by different people and in different contexts. It's almost as if the words are fairly useless in determining what the similarities and differences between us are.
Yes it it possible there are others options.
Yes i believe a concious energy/spirit/god is creator of the universe/universes. One God only.
My point in this tread:
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious.
The only difference between a theist and atheist is this:
It doesn't matter if you believe in creationism or evolution for this thought experiment lets go to the source of all things. I am going to call this SOURCE. For theists this SOURCE can be God and for atheists it can be the energy that made up the original big bang it really doesn't matter.
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious.
How did this SOURCE of everything come into existence?
It is 2 possible ways SOURCE came into existence:
1. It has always existed with no beginning and no end.
2. Magically popped into existence from nothingness.
(it was Focusedintent who wrote this, in this tread: Proving logic can't explain existence | Religious Forums)
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious. Thats the only difference between us. very little difference really
Yes many atheists do believe the universe/universes have a source. But they believe the source is an energy with no conciousness. Just like the the wind, gravity or electricity
I think the simpler way of putting it would be that everyone, whether theist or atheist, has to take the existence of something as a basic, unexplained fact. Atheists take the universe as such, and theists take God as such. The problem I have is when theists accuse atheists of being irrational by not explaining the universe, but then posit an UNEXPLAINED god to explain the universe, and so have the exact same problem.
They (those to whom this is appropriate) believe the universe is the source not has it. The big bang talks about the functions that bring about the physical universe.
It formed itself into being as the source and movement thereof. The physical universe which is the source atheists do believe exist. Just many don't believe there is a consciousness to it.
Everything that makes up the universe always existed. We are just byproducts of this result as we are part of the universe as well.
How is the universe conscious?
Is the wind conscious? The sun? A chair? (Made from the earth)
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious. Thats the only difference between us.
Since you believe the universe is concious you sound like theist. Since you wrote: "I think the universe and the energy that composes it is a product of (or more accurately, an appearance in) pure consciousness".
Wind is not concious. That was my point. Many atheist believe in a source of the universe/universes who is not concious just like wind.
Humans are concious, animals are concious, plants are a little concious. Wind, the sea, gravity, electricity is not concious.
Wind is not concious. That was my point. Many atheist believe in a source of the universe/universes who is not concious just like wind.
Humans are concious, animals are concious, plants are a little concious. Wind, the sea, gravity, electricity is not concious.
Not exactly, the " god" as I noted bring an even bigger mystery for all that people claim to know of its motives, preferences, rules, quotations and all that rot.
I don't know. I think plants are concious in their own way.Eh... Not sure I'd say plants are necessarily conscious. They respond to stimuli, but actual consciousness requires a brain, no?
There is another possibility you leave out, which is that God is not the universe and is transcendent which is probably more in line with traditional Philosophy. Thus you have theists who are neither atheists nor believe the universe is conscious.A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious. Thats the only difference between us. very little difference really