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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Naturalism is a philosophical category. Therefore, there is only philosophical naturalism possible.

Naturalism is more than one distinct category. Philosophical Naturalism is a philosophical proposition and not related to science.

The wording "methodological naturalism" can be rephrased as "naturalism is taken as the method to conduct science." Thus, is true:
True, the conduct of science has nothing to do with atheism nor theism.

. . . atheism is the ground-making method of science. Why? Naturalism is consistent with atheism only.

Can you cite a scientific definition for Methodological Naturalism that it supports either atheism or theism?

The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines Philosophical Naturalism and Methodological Naturalism entirely separate, and Methodological Naturalism as neutral to any philosophical assumptions such as atheism, deism, agnosticism nor theism. It deals only with the verification of theories and hypothesis supported by objective verifiable evidence.


But by non-scientific can be proven. It is within Natural Theology.

Explain proven here? Nothing in natural Theology can be proven.

I have shown the stuff the Dr. Kent Hovind is producing today. Why he is not banned yet in YouTube?

You tube does not ban different religious beliefs. It i just bans slander, and advocates of violence and terrorism. You tube is not arbiter of 'truth' nor religious beliefs.
 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
It's not a belief in God that's the issue. It's the merging of that belief with scientific method. It's not workable, since we don't know the nature of God, and can't measure Him.

It's effectively adding a completely unknown and variable outside agent to every experiment.
Nothing in natural Theology can be proven.

I do not mix Science and Religion together. I mix Natural Theology and Religion. Science appears to be an anti-religious organization (for example, Darwin's Theory of Evolution has greatly reduced the number of members of the Church). Natural Theology studies nature as well, but welcomes and does not prohibit references to Religion and God; before the beginning of any study or research activity, prayer takes place to drive out demons and UFOs from devices, computers, and brains. And what demons influence the measuring equipment is evidenced by the fact that cosmic rays flew out directly from the Earth, not the cosmos:

"Antarctica's Spooky Cosmic Rays Might Shatter Physics As We Know It,"
Bizarre Particles Keep Flying out of Antarctica's Ice, and They Might Shatter Modern Physics
Derek B. Fox, et.al., The ANITA Anomalous Events as Signatures of a Beyond Standard Model Particle, and Supporting Observations from IceCube, arXiv:1809.09615 [astro-ph.HE]
The ANITA Anomalous Events as Signatures of a Beyond Standard...

The paper about X-factor necessity: Gravity Law Without Universalism is Solving Many Tasks, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:2007.0112
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
MY MOTIVE OF POSTING:

Because Marxists were as desperate to force their beliefs in to science as you are.


1. I do not think, that things are perfectly good in our world, religions, science, philosophy, and society.
2. My "chief priest" in Moscow (Fr. Kirill) has given us all the commandment: to slow down the world falling into the abyss. I need to turn back the "Titanic" of science-driven humankind from the hell of doom. But the inertia of thought is almost infinite, it seems.
3. I am not alone: all holy angels and holy millions of Eastern Orthodox Christians are with me.

 
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gnostic

The Lost One
I do not mix Science and Religion together. I mix Natural Theology and Religion. Science appears to be an anti-religious organization (for example, Darwin's Theory of Evolution has greatly reduced the number of members of the Church). Natural Theology studies nature as well, but welcomes and does not prohibit references to Religion and God; before the beginning of any study or research activity, prayer takes place to drive out demons and UFOs from devices, computers, and brains. And what demons influence the measuring equipment is evidenced by the fact that cosmic rays flew out directly from the Earth, not the cosmos:
You really are not making much sense here.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I do not mix Science and Religion together. I mix Natural Theology and Religion. Science appears to be an anti-religious organization (for example, Darwin's Theory of Evolution has greatly reduced the number of members of the Church). Natural Theology studies nature as well, but welcomes and does not prohibit references to Religion and God; before the beginning of any study or research activity, prayer takes place to drive out demons and UFOs from devices, computers, and brains. And what demons influence the measuring equipment is evidenced by the fact that cosmic rays flew out directly from the Earth, not the cosmos:

There is no other justification for your claims than a religious belief.

Where is the 'proof' you claimed. You have presented only religious assertions.

"Antarctica's Spooky Cosmic Rays Might Shatter Physics As We Know It,"
Bizarre Particles Keep Flying out of Antarctica's Ice, and They Might Shatter Modern Physics
Derek B. Fox, et.al., The ANITA Anomalous Events as Signatures of a Beyond Standard Model Particle, and Supporting Observations from IceCube, arXiv:1809.09615 [astro-ph.HE]
The ANITA Anomalous Events as Signatures of a Beyond Standard...

The paper about X-factor necessity: Gravity Law Without Universalism is Solving Many Tasks, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:2007.0112

Yes, this article and others determine that at present there is insufficient evidence to determine the cause of the particles observed, nothing mor, and nothing less.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Huh?!?!?!
the conduct of science has nothing to do with atheism nor theism.
Oh, no! No! This is the road to hell.
Why? It is stupidity to develop weaponry on a planet full of terrorism and aggression. It is stupidity to develop biotechnology and bank-technologies having sinners on the planet.

There is no other justification for your claims than a religious belief.

Where is the 'proof' you claimed. You have presented only religious assertions.

Guess what? I am posting on a religious forum.

Yes, this article and others determine that at present there is insufficient evidence to determine the cause of the particles observed, nothing mor, and nothing less.

They hate to tell "God did it." It is the violation of methodological atheism.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Oh, no! No! This is the road to hell.
Why? It is stupidity to develop weaponry on a planet full of terrorism and aggression. It is stupidity to develop biotechnology and bank-technologies having sinners on the planet.

Nothing to do with science, but . .

  1. 1. Onward, Christian soldiers!
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.
    Christ, the royal Master,
    Leads against the foe;
    Forward into battle,
    See his banners go!

  2. [Chorus]

    Onward, Christian soldiers!
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.

  3. 2. At the sign of triumph
    Satan’s host doth flee;
    On, then, Christian soldiers,
    On to victory.
    Hell’s foundations quiver
    At the shout of praise;
    Brothers, lift your voices,
    Loud your anthems raise.
Guess what? I am posting on a religious forum.

Guess what?!?!?! This section of the forum is Science and Religion. This forum is not only a religious forum. It is a forum for believers and non-believers of all diversity of possible beliefs. It is also for science, technology, history, and current events, and much more.

They hate to tell "God did it." It is the violation of methodological atheism.

I am a scientist of 50 years, a theist, and I believe in God like millions of others who believe in God and science in terms of Methodological Naturalism.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
Google: exorcism. The devil can be not only in the sick people but in devices as well. No experiment is reliable without the prayers to God.
Superstitions aren’t science.

Superstitions are hinder to scientific research.

Superstitions is about is only about promoting fear and ignorance, especially in the beliefs in the supernatural, like possessions and exorcism and miracles.

None of it have, the prayers, exorcism, believing in demons possessing people or objects, have anything to do with scientific research and experiments.

It certainly doesn’t help understanding nature.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I do not mix Science and Religion together. I mix Natural Theology and Religion. Science appears to be an anti-religious organization (for example, Darwin's Theory of Evolution has greatly reduced the number of members of the Church). Natural Theology studies nature as well, but welcomes and does not prohibit references to Religion and God; before the beginning of any study or research activity, prayer takes place to drive out demons and UFOs from devices, computers, and brains. And what demons influence the measuring equipment is evidenced by the fact that cosmic rays flew out directly from the Earth, not the cosmos:

"Antarctica's Spooky Cosmic Rays Might Shatter Physics As We Know It,"
Bizarre Particles Keep Flying out of Antarctica's Ice, and They Might Shatter Modern Physics
Derek B. Fox, et.al., The ANITA Anomalous Events as Signatures of a Beyond Standard Model Particle, and Supporting Observations from IceCube, arXiv:1809.09615 [astro-ph.HE]
The ANITA Anomalous Events as Signatures of a Beyond Standard...

The paper about X-factor necessity: Gravity Law Without Universalism is Solving Many Tasks, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:2007.0112

I wasn't specifically talking about you in terms of mixing science and religion. I was talking about the purpose of methodological naturalism. It prevents that.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Superstitions aren’t science.

Superstitions are hinder to scientific research.

Superstitions is about is only about promoting fear and ignorance, especially in the beliefs in the supernatural, like possessions and exorcism and miracles.

None of it have, the prayers, exorcism, believing in demons possessing people or objects, have anything to do with scientific research and experiments.

It certainly doesn’t help understanding nature.
Guess what? I am posting on a religious forum.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
I wasn't specifically talking about you in terms of mixing science and religion. I was talking about the purpose of methodological naturalism. It prevents that.
And kills careers of believers. Why? That is why: "If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when He comes in His Father’s glory with the holy angels." Mark 8:38. I was dismissed from science in 2011, however, I have beautiful published papers, for example in Physical Review E.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
And kills careers of believers. Why? That is why: "If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when He comes in His Father’s glory with the holy angels." Mark 8:38. I was dismissed from science in 2011, however, I have beautiful published papers, for example in Physical Review E.

I am not speaking to your particular circumstances. I am only speaking to methodological naturalism and science, and why the two are important to understand and present accurately.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
I am not speaking to your particular circumstances. I am only speaking to methodological naturalism and science, and why the two are important to understand and present accurately.
Currently, the researches of nature ignore the achievements of theology of my Religion. Yes?
 
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