Did the Bible evolve upwards?

[Messianic Israelite]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches? I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution cannot be observed. What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate. The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another. The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

All you’re doing when believing in the theory of evolution is trusting in man, rather than Yahweh as Jeremiah 17:5-6 states:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from Yahweh.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives."

This scripture tells us those that trust in man are cursed. The theory of evolution is a man-made theory. I think it was either in 2007 or 2005 when the Presbyterian Ch-rch passed a resolution by a lopsided vote of 353-150 if memory serves, reaffirming its support of evolutionary theory and encouraging the teaching of ‘reliable scientific knowledge’ in public schools. Many religious organisations are selling out because they don’t take the Bible literally. How could anyone squeeze the theory of evolution in to the Bible? It doesn't work.

Atheists will call Creationists blind, but isn’t the reverse true? There is no observable evidence for macroevolution. Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations. On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design. To prove something by the scientific method it must be repeatable, measurable and observable, none of which things the theory of evolution is. And if anyone thinks they can simultaneously believe in the theory of evolution as well as Yahweh you are mistaken. Yahweh created all life on earth within 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th. Yahweh did not wait millions of years for man to evolve out of meagre creatures. How ridiculous. Yahweh sets clear bounds even within the animal kingdom. Man was never anything other than man.

There was a theory quite popular in the 1970’s I hear that said ‘G-d is dead’ or ‘Yahweh is dead’. This would be an easy theory to believe in if one believed in the theory of evolution because it shows that Yahweh doesn’t care about human kind. That he has left us all to our own devices without instructions, vision or clarity. That all things will eventually get better, they’ll evolve.

Did the Bible evolve upwards? No, the message of the Bible is the same: fear Elohim and keep his commandments. Rather I would have to conclude that this world has degraded downwards.

Romans 1:25 says:
"for that they exchanged the truth of Yahweh for a lie
and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person.

Speak for yourself. If you can't deal with it, don't.

 

[Quintessence]

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them?

Perhaps, but I think you misunderstand biological evolution a tad. Biological evolution is not about some sort of upwards progression in the way you probably mean here. It is about adaptions in groups of organisms over time in response to specific environmental conditions. In that sense, the Bible has evolved in a biology-like sense through the various religions that have utilized it as an important source of inspiration. Teachings and interpretations of the Bible have changed in populations of humans over time to better suit the needs of different historical eras and cultural contexts.

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hy do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches?

Well, "better" is always a value judgement and therefore inherently a subjective assessment. That said, in terms of presenting an explanation for biological diversity on the planet, biology doesn't make sense without biological evolution it is that central to the discipline. The ability of the Bible - or any other mythological narrative - to contribute to the sciences is very limited by comparison. Contributes outside the sciences though, are a different story but mythology is less about "explaining things" than it is about contextualizing human life experiences to provide meaningfulness in an otherwise meaningless universe.

I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man.

As a reminder, that's not what biological evolution says. That biological evolution is backed with bucketloads of observations is why it is a scientific theory, similar to the bucketloads of evidence we have for, say, gravity.

The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

My "faith" (if one can call it that - my religion is not faith-based) was not at all damaged by biological evolution. If anything, it's enhanced by it, but that's all I speak to that since you probably aren't interested in a Pagan context. It certainly wasn't "blind faith" in accepting biological evolution either - it was education as a life scientist. Having learned about biological evolution, I can understand why it may appear like "blind faith" to those who haven't learned it. Misconceptions about biological evolution are very prevalent too, which doesn't make it any easier.

 

[Brickjectivity]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

I disagree, sir/mz. Its not why people become atheists. People become atheists because of the way religious people behave. Even our own scripture says so in a way. Isaiah 52:5 "...and all day long my name is blasphemed..." You seem to presume that people believe because of proofs, but they don't. Children believe proofs. Maybe if they grow into adults they continue to, but adults...nah. Adults need better than proofs.

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

I doubt it. I mean its more like a purposeful thing. While some people act like its a rip of other writings they fail to grasp why its written. Its written in opposition to the themes of other writings. It has a purpose, and its not simply evolving. Even if it could, evolution involves enormous time scales nothing like the short time scale in which the canon appears.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches? I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution cannot be observed. What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate. The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another. The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

You assert that the Bible teaches that life comes from Genesis, but you have no grounds to do so. It has no preface, no category. Its not in the non-fiction section nor in the fiction. I'd say its not fiction, but its not about our planet, either.

All you’re doing when believing in the theory of evolution is trusting in man, rather than Yahweh as Jeremiah 17:5-6 states:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from Yahweh.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives."

No, no no! Absolutely not. That is so upside down. People trust in ministers, and that is trusting in man. We have become enslaved to our ministers, and this is against God.

This scripture tells us those that trust in man are cursed. The theory of evolution is a man-made theory. I think it was either in 2007 or 2005 when the Presbyterian Ch-rch passed a resolution by a lopsided vote of 353-150 if memory serves, reaffirming its support of evolutionary theory and encouraging the teaching of ‘reliable scientific knowledge’ in public schools. Many religious organisations are selling out because they don’t take the Bible literally. How could anyone squeeze the theory of evolution in to the Bible? It doesn't work.

Its not as important as you think. Lots of people believe in God and still find Evolution to be obvious in nature.

Atheists will call Creationists blind, but isn’t the reverse true? There is no observable evidence for macroevolution. Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations. On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design. To prove something by the scientific method it must be repeatable, measurable and observable, none of which things the theory of evolution is. And if anyone thinks they can simultaneously believe in the theory of evolution as well as Yahweh you are mistaken. Yahweh created all life on earth within 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th. Yahweh did not wait millions of years for man to evolve out of meagre creatures. How ridiculous. Yahweh sets clear bounds even within the animal kingdom. Man was never anything other than man.

No. People with brains call creationists wrong, and its got diddly squat to do with atheism. The creationists need to stop trying to assert things that aren't naturally correct. They need stop trying to make the invisible God visible. They need to back off and let God work assuming they believe God is even involved in faith. Have you heard the phrase "Having a form of godliness but the denying the power thereof?" That's Creationism in a nutshell.

There was a theory quite popular in the 1970’s I hear that said ‘G-d is dead’ or ‘Yahweh is dead’. This would be an easy theory to believe in if one believed in the theory of evolution because it shows that Yahweh doesn’t care about human kind. That he has left us all to our own devices without instructions, vision or clarity. That all things will eventually get better, they’ll evolve.

Marxists. For whatever reason it become popular it was coined by Neitzche who was panicking that society would reject God. He wasn't happy about it. He felt the rejection of God would lead to the collapse of western civilization (or so I am told). Turns out he was probably I think making some good points, but evolution isn't going to cause people to reject God. People don't accept God because they see God. They accept God invisibly. Why won't you accept this very basic tenet of faith in God?

Did the Bible evolve upwards? No, the message of the Bible is the same: fear Elohim and keep his commandments. Rather I would have to conclude that this world has degraded downwards.

Romans 1:25 says:
"for that they exchanged the truth of Yahweh for a lie
and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen."

There is no enemy for you to strike, so stop swinging.

 

[firedragon]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches? I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution cannot be observed. What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate. The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another. The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

All you’re doing when believing in the theory of evolution is trusting in man, rather than Yahweh as Jeremiah 17:5-6 states:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from Yahweh.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives."

This scripture tells us those that trust in man are cursed. The theory of evolution is a man-made theory. I think it was either in 2007 or 2005 when the Presbyterian Ch-rch passed a resolution by a lopsided vote of 353-150 if memory serves, reaffirming its support of evolutionary theory and encouraging the teaching of ‘reliable scientific knowledge’ in public schools. Many religious organisations are selling out because they don’t take the Bible literally. How could anyone squeeze the theory of evolution in to the Bible? It doesn't work.

Atheists will call Creationists blind, but isn’t the reverse true? There is no observable evidence for macroevolution. Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations. On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design. To prove something by the scientific method it must be repeatable, measurable and observable, none of which things the theory of evolution is. And if anyone thinks they can simultaneously believe in the theory of evolution as well as Yahweh you are mistaken. Yahweh created all life on earth within 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th. Yahweh did not wait millions of years for man to evolve out of meagre creatures. How ridiculous. Yahweh sets clear bounds even within the animal kingdom. Man was never anything other than man.

There was a theory quite popular in the 1970’s I hear that said ‘G-d is dead’ or ‘Yahweh is dead’. This would be an easy theory to believe in if one believed in the theory of evolution because it shows that Yahweh doesn’t care about human kind. That he has left us all to our own devices without instructions, vision or clarity. That all things will eventually get better, they’ll evolve.

Did the Bible evolve upwards? No, the message of the Bible is the same: fear Elohim and keep his commandments. Rather I would have to conclude that this world has degraded downwards.

Romans 1:25 says:
"for that they exchanged the truth of Yahweh for a lie
and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen."

Theory of evolution is not "the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth". It does not address "how life arose on this earth".

Also, it is not quite right to think that evolution is a new idea or theory. Prior to the modern boom with Darwin and whoever at the time propagated it it was called Muhammedan theory. Some people like Ibn Khaldun also had the idea of evolution although it is an ancient thought as we know. Thus, theists have had this theory in their circles for a long long time.

It is a modern idea to have this conflict between evolution and theism. My opinion is that this animosity came up because people want to isolate their enemy into something and then oppose it even if it goes beyond reason. Strange.

 

[Windwalker]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

A couple points here. Why do you assume evolution creates havoc for other people's faith? If it does for you, then that says something about how you hold your own faith, not how others hold theirs. And secondly, why do you equate it with atheism, when there are millions of Christians and those of other faith traditions who accept evolution, and still hold faith?

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them?

Yes. There is clear evidence of an evolution of the beliefs about God within the bible, beginning with early ideas about God, which are evidenced in other cultures in that time period, to later more sophisticated ideas about God later in history. These same things are paralleled in other religions historically as well.

Evolution does tend to make the organism more able to adapt to changes in the environment, and religion is in this case that organism. It adapts and grows to changing cultural, political, and economic pressures. Evolution applies to everything.

The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium.

The Bible contains stories of many fantastical things that are vehicles for symbolic meanings. I do not believe the point of this was to teach historical facts, as the meaning of the stories was what was important. Not the details. The Bible should not be treated as a modern scientific or historical research paper. To approach that way, in fact does set you up for having a crisis of faith. But that's not the Bible's fault. It's your own.

Scientifically speaking, there is no evidence whatsoever that humans lived for a 1,000 years. That is not biologically possible with humans. If humans ever were essentially immortal like that, they would not have had the types of bodies we do today. They would be more like a jellyfish or something which could recreate itself perpetually without end. It's much better to read scripture symbolically, than literally.

You miss the point of it when you look to it to teach scientific information. It also is not a book about modern medicine either, nor about cosmology, or astrophysics, etc. Trying to make it that, is sure a recipe for a failed faith, and the atheism you fear. It's not evolution you should fear, but how you are approaching faith itself.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches?

Absolutely, yes science is better at explaining how nature works than scripture. Scripture is not about that. It does not offer any scientific explanations for how life takes the shapes and forms it does, or how the species we see relate to the past. There's nothing scientific about it. That's not what scripture is about.

The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable.

Such as? For myself, understanding how evolution works has helped my faith in God. Why does it threaten yours? Are you sure you're not referring to it threatening your beliefs, and not your faith? Beliefs can be in error, such as approaching scripture as a book of science, rather than about teaching values and faith in God.

Don't mistake beliefs with faith. It's more than okay to change how you've thought and believed about these things, in the process of an evolving faith. Faith is like the trunk of the tree, while beliefs are like the leaves on its branches that serve the tree for a season, and are replaced with new ones as the tree grows and matures.

 

[Left Coast]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches? I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution cannot be observed. What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate. The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another. The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

All you’re doing when believing in the theory of evolution is trusting in man, rather than Yahweh as Jeremiah 17:5-6 states:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from Yahweh.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives."

This scripture tells us those that trust in man are cursed. The theory of evolution is a man-made theory. I think it was either in 2007 or 2005 when the Presbyterian Ch-rch passed a resolution by a lopsided vote of 353-150 if memory serves, reaffirming its support of evolutionary theory and encouraging the teaching of ‘reliable scientific knowledge’ in public schools. Many religious organisations are selling out because they don’t take the Bible literally. How could anyone squeeze the theory of evolution in to the Bible? It doesn't work.

Atheists will call Creationists blind, but isn’t the reverse true? There is no observable evidence for macroevolution. Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations. On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design. To prove something by the scientific method it must be repeatable, measurable and observable, none of which things the theory of evolution is. And if anyone thinks they can simultaneously believe in the theory of evolution as well as Yahweh you are mistaken. Yahweh created all life on earth within 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th. Yahweh did not wait millions of years for man to evolve out of meagre creatures. How ridiculous. Yahweh sets clear bounds even within the animal kingdom. Man was never anything other than man.

There was a theory quite popular in the 1970’s I hear that said ‘G-d is dead’ or ‘Yahweh is dead’. This would be an easy theory to believe in if one believed in the theory of evolution because it shows that Yahweh doesn’t care about human kind. That he has left us all to our own devices without instructions, vision or clarity. That all things will eventually get better, they’ll evolve.

Did the Bible evolve upwards? No, the message of the Bible is the same: fear Elohim and keep his commandments. Rather I would have to conclude that this world has degraded downwards.

Romans 1:25 says:
"for that they exchanged the truth of Yahweh for a lie
and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen."

Hope this helps.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them?

"Upward" is not a concept in evolution.

 

[Wandering Monk]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches? I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution cannot be observed. What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate. The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another. The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

All you’re doing when believing in the theory of evolution is trusting in man, rather than Yahweh as Jeremiah 17:5-6 states:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from Yahweh.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives."

This scripture tells us those that trust in man are cursed. The theory of evolution is a man-made theory. I think it was either in 2007 or 2005 when the Presbyterian Ch-rch passed a resolution by a lopsided vote of 353-150 if memory serves, reaffirming its support of evolutionary theory and encouraging the teaching of ‘reliable scientific knowledge’ in public schools. Many religious organisations are selling out because they don’t take the Bible literally. How could anyone squeeze the theory of evolution in to the Bible? It doesn't work.

Atheists will call Creationists blind, but isn’t the reverse true? There is no observable evidence for macroevolution. Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations. On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design. To prove something by the scientific method it must be repeatable, measurable and observable, none of which things the theory of evolution is. And if anyone thinks they can simultaneously believe in the theory of evolution as well as Yahweh you are mistaken. Yahweh created all life on earth within 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th. Yahweh did not wait millions of years for man to evolve out of meagre creatures. How ridiculous. Yahweh sets clear bounds even within the animal kingdom. Man was never anything other than man.

There was a theory quite popular in the 1970’s I hear that said ‘G-d is dead’ or ‘Yahweh is dead’. This would be an easy theory to believe in if one believed in the theory of evolution because it shows that Yahweh doesn’t care about human kind. That he has left us all to our own devices without instructions, vision or clarity. That all things will eventually get better, they’ll evolve.

Did the Bible evolve upwards? No, the message of the Bible is the same: fear Elohim and keep his commandments. Rather I would have to conclude that this world has degraded downwards.

Romans 1:25 says:
"for that they exchanged the truth of Yahweh for a lie
and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen."

Are you willing to change your mind about evolution? If not, discussion is pointless, unless you are preaching to people who might be wavering.

 

[metis]

One does not "believe" in evolution-- either they don't accept the reality of it or they don't.

Evolution is just plain old commons sense, namely all that we see seems to change over time one way or another, which is what "evolution" actually is. Do life forms evolve over time? Of course they do, and there are so many things that give us evidence of that. Google "speciation" for examples, and even the Wiki article on that is quite good.

When one uses their religious beliefs to obscure reality, then that approach turns said religion into an exercise of ignorance, hate to say. I left my fundamentalist Protestant church over 50 years ago because of this.

 

[shunyadragon]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

The scientist that support evolution believe in many different religions and non-religions. I am a Baha'i and a Theistic Evolution.

Dangerous and fallacious assumption based on an ancient religious agenda. Science is an independent investigation of the nature of our physical existence, nothing less nothing more. Genesis by the evidence is mythological account that evolved over time from older Sumerian, Babylonian, and Canaanite. The Hebrew language and culture originated from Canaanite, and primitive forms of the language. Yes, the Old Testament evolved from older texts with the text of Genesis can be date no earlier than~1000 to 800 BCE.

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

No,Genesis and the Pentateuch evolved edited, and compiled from more ancient texts, with absolutely no provenance of authorship.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches? I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution cannot be observed. What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate. The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another. The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

The belief in evolution, an ancient earth, and absolutely no evidence of a world flood is grounded in the objective verifiable, and sound scientific methods like all sciences. Macro evolution can be objectively falsified by the evidence, and there is absolutely no alternative hypothesis that explains the evidence.

Actually there are so many fossils found today and more all the time, and you are terribly out of date on the evidence available in the fossil record.

What level of scientific education do dyou have to make these assertions based on a religious agenda.

All you’re doing when believing in the theory of evolution is trusting in man, rather than Yahweh as Jeremiah 17:5-6 states:

"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from Yahweh.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives."

This scripture tells us those that trust in man are cursed. The theory of evolution is a man-made theory. I think it was either in 2007 or 2005 when the Presbyterian Ch-rch passed a resolution by a lopsided vote of 353-150 if memory serves, reaffirming its support of evolutionary theory and encouraging the teaching of ‘reliable scientific knowledge’ in public schools. Many religious organisations are selling out because they don’t take the Bible literally. How could anyone squeeze the theory of evolution in to the Bible? It doesn't work.

Atheists will call Creationists blind, but isn’t the reverse true? There is no observable evidence for macroevolution. Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations. On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design. To prove something by the scientific method it must be repeatable, measurable and observable, none of which things the theory of evolution is. And if anyone thinks they can simultaneously believe in the theory of evolution as well as Yahweh you are mistaken. Yahweh created all life on earth within 6 literal 24 hour days and rested on the 7th. Yahweh did not wait millions of years for man to evolve out of meagre creatures. How ridiculous. Yahweh sets clear bounds even within the animal kingdom. Man was never anything other than man.

There was a theory quite popular in the 1970’s I hear that said ‘G-d is dead’ or ‘Yahweh is dead’. This would be an easy theory to believe in if one believed in the theory of evolution because it shows that Yahweh doesn’t care about human kind. That he has left us all to our own devices without instructions, vision or clarity. That all things will eventually get better, they’ll evolve.

Did the Bible evolve upwards? No, the message of the Bible is the same: fear Elohim and keep his commandments. Rather I would have to conclude that this world has degraded downwards.

Romans 1:25 says:
"for that they exchanged the truth of Yahweh for a lie
and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen."

The Baha'i Faith simply believes in the harmony of science and belief in God. Simply science describes the nature of our physical existence as Created. God did not Create our physical existence with contradictory evidence.


Cling to an ancient world view with limited knowledge does not justify your negative view toward science. 97%+ of all scientists in the sciences involved with evolution support evolution.

Quoting the Bible only justifies your bias of a religious agenda

 

[firedragon]

One does not "believe" in evolution-- either they don't accept the reality of it or they don't.

Evolution is just plain old commons sense, namely all that we see seems to change over time one way or another, which is what "evolution" actually is. Do life forms evolve over time? Of course they do, and there are so many things that give us evidence of that. Google "speciation" for examples, and even the Wiki article on that is quite good.

When one uses their religious beliefs to obscure reality, then that approach turns said religion into an exercise of ignorance, hate to say. I left my fundamentalist Protestant church over 50 years ago because of this.

Not true. Some believe in evolution irrationally like any other dogmatic theist believes in their theology or faith dogmatically. Some people have no clue of what evolution is or the history of it but have seriously dogmatic belief with no foundation but just faith.

See, you believe dogmatically that religions and religious beliefs are in the opposite side of belief in evolution as a general statement. That is also your dogmatic belief with no basis whatsoever.

 

[metis]

See, you believe dogmatically that religions and religious beliefs are in the opposite side of belief in evolution as a general statement.

I never said that nor implied that, and even what it says next to "Religion" at the top-right of my page should tell you that what you say of me is simply not true.

Maybe next time have the common decency to ask me how I may view each-- is that really so hard?

 

[firedragon]

I never said that nor implied that, and even what it says next to "Religion" at the top-right of my page should tell you that what you say of me is simply not true.

Maybe next time have the common decency to ask me how I may view each-- is that really so hard?

1. Let me apologise and ask you "do you make a divide between religion and evolution"?

2. Also, some believe in evolution irrationally like any other dogmatic theist believes in their theology or faith dogmatically.

 

[ecco]

People become atheists because of the way religious people behave.

I am an atheist. I did not become an atheist because of the way religious people behave. I became an atheist because I quickly say how silly Bible stories really are. If Bible stories are silly - the Bible is silly. If the Bible is silly, the concept of gods is silly.

 

[ecco]

Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth.

Do you really believe the best way to start a thread is with a statement that is not true?

People who believe in evolution, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, atheists, Hindus, Muslims believe it to be true because it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life expanded on this earth.

Not because we tell ourselves that - because it is.

The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another.

That is (I'll be polite) not true.

There is no observable evidence for macroevolution.

That is (I'll be polite) not true.

Further, macro-evolution requires millions of just-right mutations.

That is (I'll be polite) not true.

On the contrary, there is plenty of visible evidence of Intelligent Design.

That is (no more being polite) absolute nonsense.

 

[ecco]

Some believe in evolution irrationally

Care to give some examples of who these people are?

 

[viole]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution.

Nobody believes in evolution. We do not need faith in facts.

Belief is left for claims without evidence. Like belief in God, spirits, souls and stuff like that.

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Care to give some examples of who these people are?

You mean like a geographical location?

 

[Polymath257]

People today mostly believe in the theory of evolution. Why they believe in the theory of evolution is because they tell themselves that it is the most evidence-based explanation of how life arose on this earth. What people don’t seem to understand is the havoc believing in such a theory has on the faith of a person. Having never believed in the theory of evolution myself, I can easily identify this as a major proponent for atheism in these end times,

Except that I don't think that most people reject their religion based on their understanding of evolution. I think it is far more common to reject religion because of faults of the religion itself or the practitioners of the religion. Many people simply reject the 'morality' of many ancient texts.

But my question is this. Did the Bible evolve upwards? Evolution is applied to many things in life; should the Bible be one of them? The Bible teaches that at the beginning of the creation of man, people’s longevity of life was far beyond that of what it is today. Methuselah, one of our oldest forefathers, lived for nearly a whole millennium. This comparison to the age of which we live today means we have not evolved, but that entropy is a more plausible explanation.

Well, I won't get into the reality of these views, but entropy and evolution are NOT at odds. But you do have to understand both of them.

Why do people believe in the theory of evolution? Is it really a better explanation for the development and origin of life than that which the Bible teaches?

Evolution is NOT an explanation for the origin of life. It *only* explains the diversity of life once life got started.

I believe in microevolution because this can be observed. I do not believe in macroevolution which is an upward, beneficial increase in complexity as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man.

Well, at least part of your problem is that you don't understand what the scientific theory of evolution actually says. There is no necessary 'upward' movement. It is *all* adaptation to the environment at the time. In other words, all macroevolution is simply microevolution over longer times.

Macroevolution cannot be observed.

Wrong. It can and has been.

What would normally be considered a ridiculous idea (like a worm becoming a man) can seem credible by expanding the amount of time. The theory is wholly inadequate.

Except we have actual examples of each step of this.

The fossil record express a complete lack of transitional fossils showing one kind of animal changing into another.

Again, simply false. We have many examples of such. The difficulty is that each new transitional gives two smaller 'gaps'.

The amount of damage this theory has done to faith is insurmountable. And for what? Believing in the theory of evolution can only be described as a blind faith.

Not if you actually understand it as opposed to a biased description of it.[/QUOTE]