Spiritual enlightenment

[mikkel_the_dane]

Perhaps not, but there are those who have had a mystical experience, a glimpse behind the proverbial veil, so to speak. Might not be "proof," but it certainly evidence that would lead one to foregone conclusion.

Well, I have had one spiritual experience of feeling one with the universe. It didn't change me, but I am a skeptic, so that colors my view. I will admit that.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Personally I believe we can not fully understand enlightenment before we realize it through spiritual practice. And I believe each person enlighten differently.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, I have had one spiritual experience of feeling one with the universe. It didn't change me, but I am a skeptic, so that colors my view. I will admit that.

I heartily appreciate that, but then you into the confusion of not believing in supernatural but believing in God. The stance is sort of contradictory.

 

[osgart]

If this were heaven we would all be caring for one another. It would be all for all, all for one, and one for all. As it is we have to decide who deserves what and why.

I think enlightenment is to judge kindly and generously toward good natured people. Give to each the measure of who they are and what they deserve. By nature of who a person is we are to judge.

So enlightenment is to care for others and improve life for all. Judgment is according to the heart. Who they are, and not what they are is enlightenment. Actions and achievements is secondary to heart.

I.e. I care for my mother not because of her actions and achievements. I care for her because she is a caring person.

That to me is enlightenment. And perhaps it is the Divine will.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I heartily appreciate that, but then you into the confusion of not believing in supernatural but believing in God. The stance is sort of contradictory.

Yes, and so what. I have in part being irrational and illogical all my adult life and I am now 55 years old and still here apparently. That game of rational and logical I gave up on along ago.

 

[Secret Chief]

The Age of Enlightenment has certainly passed.

Other than that, isn't it a term more associated with Eastern religions?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeah, Abrahamic religions do not have enlightenment.

 

[`mud]

I stopped a while ago...

When one starts with: " I think most people "....I generally stop reading.
He didn't really think at all !

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I stopped a while ago...

When one starts with: " I think most people "....I generally stop reading.
He didn't really think at all !

Well, I think most people are both similar and different. But don't ask for evidence or truth. I don't like those, I like false, wrong and all those since I am skeptic.

 

[`mud]

Alpha and omega, and everything that we will never know !

There will never be a proof of any existing transparent `gods`,
the BB or creation in general ! So be it over and over,
no matter what the Priest says !

 

[icehorse]

Real enlightenment is the ending of the separative ego and experiencing true, original union with the Divine. The drop's separate existence is ended and union with the 'ocean' achieved. Very very few achieve this.

IMO, enlightenment isn't a steady state that a few people achieve. I think we all achieve it some percentage of the time, and those who we might call "enlightened" achieve it more frequently. Even the Dalai Lama might curse when he stubs his toe

 

[truthseeker7]

View attachment 42033 I think most people reach enlightenment around 40 years old. Roughly 40% of the worlds population is over 40. I'd say about a quarter of those people have attained enlightenment. Not bad, that's almost 1 billion people. Sound about right? However, I don't think that it's a necessity for a person to reach enlightenment. Don't ask me what I mean by enlightenment because I can't enlighten anyone.View attachment 42027

where do you get this? spiritulaity enlighment has no age

 

[`mud]

He said: "I think..."

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yeah, Abrahamic religions do not have enlightenment.

There are mystic paths, such as Christian Mysticism, that have enlightenment.

 

[sun rise]

Yeah, Abrahamic religions do not have enlightenment.

To me they do but call them "prophets" and "saints". Islamic sufis call them qutubs.

 

[OtherSheep]

View attachment 42033 I think most people reach enlightenment around 40 years old. Roughly 40% of the worlds population is over 40. I'd say about a quarter of those people have attained enlightenment. Not bad, that's almost 1 billion people. Sound about right? However, I don't think that it's a necessity for a person to reach enlightenment. Don't ask me what I mean by enlightenment because I can't enlighten anyone.

Sometimes it's just a faulty refrigerator bulb.

 

[Sunstone]

I only ever had one experience I can legitimately call "enlightenment", but it was enough. That was when I was 19 and, for the first time, saw Terri's breasts by moonlight.

 

[Aupmanyav]

To me they do but call them "prophets" and "saints". Islamic sufis call them qutubs.

"In Sufism, a Qutb is the perfect human being, al-Insān al-Kāmil (The Universal Man), who leads the saintly hierarchy. The Qutb is the Sufi spiritual leader that has a divine connection with God and passes knowledge on which makes him central to, or the axis of, Sufism, but he is unknown to the world. There are five Qutbs per era and they are infallible and trusted spiritual leaders. They are only revealed to a select group of mystics because there is a "human need for direct knowledge of God" - Wikipedia

Since I do not believe in 'divine' - 'wise men'.

 

[rational experiences]

As a human science says to me, it is all in the head, you brain, the chemical changes.

As a real human living a spiritual experience I said, of course if I am living and own a bio life body and a chemical reactive changed body, then I am living in the experience, and it is not natural. What I said to science.

Science however wants me to be convinced that science owns the conditions of why I am changed having the experiences. Okay science I am convinced, you sure own the reasons and causes for the experiences as a scientific status.

But what you do not own is all the natural bodies being changed.

You only own thinking, designing and building AI machines and then own all reasons why life changes on a natural Earth in a natural space body that is a cycle that should remain constant, the same, but does not because you keep changing mass in its natural cold radiation fusion and then blame it on everything else accept self.

Spiritual argument rationally, where did you come from before.

Biological science studies says to humans, living as humans in a human life. Well, if you look at the human being sex act, everyone comes from sperm and an ovary, from one body the female human being Mother.

So then science says, but where did the 2 human parents come from, we know we all were human babies. So no one can argue against that natural science claim for you would be proven not intelligent.

Biological science says, well the next whole one body similar to a human bio status is Apes. So a male ape with penis and sperm and female ape with an ovary, had sex and produced a human like baby. Oh you mean an ape baby, human like as correct science biological information?

Yes says science.

Oh, so science lies also about use of information in egotism?

Of course it does, we are after all just humans.

 

[King Phenomenon]

Isn't that first post self-contradictory. If you don't know what enlightenment means then how can you know people can achieve it at around the age of 40?

I know what it means to me. Im just pondering is all