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Good question....Not sure where to post this. What are Christian views on Eve's role?
A perfect life for a perfect life - but there were two perfect lives in Eden? etc.
Just curious.
Eve's role in what? In the biggest picture, she's the mother of us all. I don't agree with the sexist interpretation of blaming her more than Adam for the fall of man. It's unjust. I personally prefer the Islamic take where they both repented and are basically recognized as saints and friends of God (although the Catholic Church actually recognizes both Adam and Eve as saints). After all, they're pretty much metaphors for all humans and our weaknesses.Not sure where to post this. What are Christian views on Eve's role?
A perfect life for a perfect life - but there were two perfect lives in Eden? etc.
Just curious.
Eve's role in what? In the biggest picture, she's the mother of us all. I don't agree with the sexist interpretation of blaming her more than Adam for the fall of man. It's unjust. I personally prefer the Islamic take where they both repented and are basically recognized as saints and friends of God (although the Catholic Church actually recognizes both Adam and Eve as saints). After all, they're pretty much metaphors for all humans and our weaknesses.
I don't believe in sola scriptura.Hmmm...that's interesting. I wonder where they got that idea? Its not in the Bible.
Hmmm...that's interesting. I wonder where they got that idea? Its not in the Bible.
Fair enough......I have to go on the biblical examples which tell us how God dealt with disobedience humans in the OT, and how he deals with disobedient angels in the NT...how else can you come to accurate conclusions?I don't believe in sola scriptura.
Good question....
As free willed moral agents in full control of their faculties...with no defects or impediments, both Adam and his wife were not victims of a sinful nature, so their choices were wilful and deliberate acts based on the workings of their own minds and hearts.
Why did the devil target the woman and not Adam first?
Because Adam was better educated than his new wife. He had waited a long time for her and he was besotted with his new mate.
Satan was assigned as a "covering cherub" in the garden of Eden, (this is a guardianship role) which placed him right there observing all that was taking place. He saw Adam's reaction to receiving his wife, and plotted his course accordingly.
The devil targeted the woman to get to the man, thus separating them from their Creator.
He convinced the woman that she would be better off if she ate the fruit because then she would be like God, knowing good and bad for herself. He also lied about the penalty. So she was deceived and she ate.
1 Timothy 2:13-14....
"For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and became a transgressor."
She knew the penalty but believed the lie......Adam was not deceived, but deliberately took the fruit to join his wife in rebellion and eventual death. Which is exactly what the devil was hoping for.
There were several scenarios that could have taken place.....
Exercising free will, the woman chose to disobey but she did not have to. She repeated what her husband had told her about the forbidden fruit, so she could have told the serpent to get lost.....but she didn't, so her deliberate actions merited the death penalty.
Her husband could have refused to take the fruit from her, and Adam would have lost his wife, but not his own life. In time God would have probably provided a new mate with Eve's conduct used as a warning example of where disobedience to God can take you.
But the devil hoped to separate both of them from God so that he could then have them and all their children serve him as a god, creating his own personal empire.....it is apparently an ambition that he sought after observing the creation of lower intelligent creatures who could see him as a god.
The Creator's words to the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28, were a thinly veiled address to the devil...
"‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says:
“You were the model of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eʹden, the garden of God.
You were adorned with every precious stone. . . .
They were prepared on the day you were created.
14 I assigned you as the anointed covering cherub.
You were on the holy mountain of God, and you walked about among fiery stones.
15 You were faultless in your ways from the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you. . . .
Your heart became haughty because of your beauty.
You corrupted your wisdom because of your own glorious splendor."
This once glorious creature was corrupted by his own beauty.....and wanted to be worshipped.
What those three rebels did had to be undone by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Speaking as an expert?Good heavens you talk some absolute nonsense........
As in Adam all die is a reference to the mortality mankind is heir to as a result of being just another earthly creature. It doesn’t imply Adam the man as opposed to Eve the woman.Not sure where to post this. What are Christian views on Eve's role?
A perfect life for a perfect life - but there were two perfect lives in Eden? etc.
Just curious.
What do you mean by a perfect life for a perfect life?Not sure where to post this. What are Christian views on Eve's role?
A perfect life for a perfect life - but there were two perfect lives in Eden? etc.
Just curious.
Not sure where to post this. What are Christian views on Eve's role?
A perfect life for a perfect life - but there were two perfect lives in Eden? etc.
Just curious.
Of course, though I would rather say the nature of biology. I’m not sure any law of physics implies organisms must die - or not directly.All die, including plants and animals, because of the laws of physics.
If there was ever a time in the history of the world that things didn't die, life on earth would be impossible.
Of course, though I would rather say the nature of biology. I’m not sure any law of physics implies organisms must die - or not directly.
In any case, I think the OP was going somewhere else with the quotation.
I'm not at all sure what you're asking or, for that matter, why you are focusing on "Christian views" of Jewish scripture.Not sure where to post this. What are Christian views on Eve's role?
A perfect life for a perfect life - but there were two perfect lives in Eden? etc.
Just curious.
I'm not at all sure what you're asking or, for that matter, why you are focusing on "Christian views" of Jewish scripture.
Like Adam, Eve is a character in an origin myth often interpreted in such a way as to cast her as the person primarily responsible for the origin of sin.
I don't think so.A way of dealing with cognitive dissonance: why am I not a better person?
Yes but entropy does not explain death, or not directly, surely?Entropy. Living things increase entropy by breaking down what they consume into simpler elements, ultimately releasing the energy contained in matter.