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Featured As in Adam all die (what about Eve?)

Discussion in 'Theism' started by idea, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:15 PM.

  1. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    It was more metaphoric than mathematically accurate.....I was aiming for a picture of a complete turnaround......:D You can make it 180 if it makes it more acceptable to you....:)
     
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  2. The Anointed

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    We know that the Pharisees believe in the resurrection of the dead, what evidence do they have for this belief?
     
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    Perhaps because the "seed" is in Adam?

    Perfect minds, with free will, doesn't always translate into perfect decision as free will, I guess.

    It doesn't say "why" they choose so we are relegated to theological viewpoints. In that Eve was deceived, my view is simply she made decisions on false information.

    Why did Adam choose? Perhaps because when he didn't see immediate consequences with his wife, he decided there might be "another way" for life? Perhaps, if he knew that consequences were real, he didn't want to live without his wife?

    Again, we can only have opinions.

    We do know that a perfect angel, Lucifer (is what some people call him), let pride set in. So apparently perfectness doesn't translate into perfect decisions when personal willpower is involved.
     
  4. idea

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    Sorry for not understanding - so how does it work in Judaism? What is the origin of evil, and how is it resolved?
     
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    Perhaps we need to define perfect differently. Perhaps Eden was not stimulating enough, too boring, no challenges - perhaps Eden was not perfect.
     
  6. KenS

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    I think it was more than that and that Eden was perfect. God gave everything and, in my view, reserved a Tree saying "please recognize Me in that, after I have given you everything, by not eating that which recognizes who is the one who created and gave".

    Basically, they committed spiritual adultery and divorces themselves from God.

    Thankful that, as in Hosea, their spiritual prostitution didn't stop God from pursuing the object of His love, mankind. He purchased them back through the Cross and His blood.

    Another way of looking at it, we forget to be grateful for all that we have by looking at what we don't have instead of what we do. We see it playing out so often in every day living.

    I have two cars, a computer, a home, enjoying restaurants and have food on my table but the rich people have more than I and its not fair. And then they become bitter at what they don't have instead of finding contentment in what they do.

    (Don't want to sidetrack Eden with this example) - just thinking of a modern day application
     
  7. Jayhawker Soule

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    The more interesting question is: Why would you respond to a statement about the role of original sin in Judaism with a question about the the resurrection of the dead? It's as if I stated "spinach pizza is best with anchovies" only to have you quote me and then ask pointedly: "Jews believe that chicken soup cures all ills. What evidence do they have for this belief?"
     
  8. RabbiO

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    I assume that @The Anointed was planning to make some kind of point based upon my answer, tie it in in some fashion, and I was going to ask him his purpose, but, dang, you beat me to it.
     
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