But still, there is that pesky thing called truth in there somewhere that has to be recognized. At some point, it's okay to be intolerant of intolerance.
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- Thread starter Nova2216
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Where do you live? Where'd you get this idea?
Like a fish in water, you're immersed in it -- but you don't perceive it.
Polls from the early '60s found most people were unaware of any discrimination then, too.
If you don't look for the evidence; if you don't want to see it, you're unlikely to perceive it.
Are you saying that Trump represents that standard?
I have read the NT. And I'm confident that Christians like @sojourner far better represent Jesus's Message(as quoted in the Gospels) than Trump or his supporters.
Quite the contrary, if anybody in the modern world qualifies as the anti-Christ it would be Trump. He claims to be Christian. He gets strong support from Christians. And he exemplifies "High Priest of Mammon" with nearly everything he says and does.
Tom
Intolerance of intolerance is an excuse for intolerance.
We should accept that opinions will vary, & should be discussed.
Fulminating at the other achieves nothing but rancor.
No it's not. Are we going to go down this semantics avenue once again?
I've seen too many examples.No it's not. Are we going to go down this semantics avenue once again?
So I'll just agree to disagree.
Nice that you qualified it this time, "I'll", rather than we'll. Because of course I don't agree to disagree. You're just wrong.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
You and Trump are more than welcome to believe that the lives of back people mean less than the lives of other people, but you're completely delusional if you think the majority of Americans agree with you.
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PureX
Veteran Member
This nation was born of 'violence and rioting'. It's because we 'broke the law' and fought the enforcers of our oppression that we now exist as an independent nation. And when the founders declared to the rest of the world why they had done so, and the principals of the new nation they intended to create, they specifically stated that if that new nation were to become a new oppressor of the people, the people have the right to rise up again, and remove the shackles that intent to bind them.
As our current government has once again become corrupted by the wealth and greed of an elite few, and is being used to subjugate, exploit, oppress and abuse the people once again, the people are feeling the need to rise up, yet again, and fight to overthrow the tyrants, and end the tyranny. And our founders would approve. They even said so in their written Declaration of Independence.
So you are quite wrong to presume that there is never an appropriate time for violent rioting.
I sense an unhealthy need to win, & make the other person wrong.Nice that you qualified it this time, "I'll", rather than we'll. Because of course I don't agree to disagree. You're just wrong.
But you could consider other views as alternative perspectives.
(It's more edifying & interesting than competing for a win.)
Sometimes there are opinions & values that are "not even wrong".
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What's the goal here?
- Interesting conversation.
- Persuading others.
- Learning from others.
- Friendship.
- Winning arguments.
- Beatdown of the enemy.
The penultimate one is bad enuf.
But the last one is at odds with all the others.
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Heh.
Listening to some modern partisans talk you'd think that the Boston Tea Party involved porcelain cups and delicately extended pinky fingers.
Tom
There exist a large moral divide in the US. I don't think neither Biden nor Trump are the people to reunite the country. Unfortunately, we've pretty much a two-party system and there is little room for a middle ground.
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And this is the reason BLM is totally necessary and it exists by God's will to help end generations of bigotry not only in the US but around the world.
Biden is that middle ground. He's what in my youth I would have called a liberal Republican.
Nothing new here - blaming blacks for Jim Crow laws, the destruction of the "black wall street", for racist cops and for racist white. There are stories every day in the media now about what blacks have to put up with and not only in the US - there is news from the UK that illustrates the same problem.
BLACK LIVES MATTER
BLACK LIVES MATTER
What is truly depressing is that this kind of white privilege stained ignorance should be infuriating to all but the most backward in our society. "Reunite the country?" To what "unity" and to whose "unity" over the last 400 years do you long to return?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Perhaps lead by example and head your own advice. You need it more than anyone else here.
I like moral divides at times.
They can lead to progress.
Too much unity has its downside.
It all depends what we're united for or against.
Sure, let's just ignore the concerns of the folks we don't agree with. Nothing like a good dictatorship to squash the opposition.