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Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

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rational experiences

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If a scientist as a madman like Hitler and his cronies were in science, who studied science and know nuclear, about God the physical mass being converted to a radiation reaction in the gases....then how was it God the held stone mass, God constant = stone mass?

Then he reads a document says the JEWS, meaning of which is human beings need to be destroyed because the Bible God information said so.

Yet in relevance, the humans in that DNA holy land once did not use the title of Jew...and are just a human being first...and title is only due to civilization and trade status for HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So he reads what the BIBLE did to the crystalline fusion of God the JEWEL....EL being the power of God that the Bible said all that got left after EL power was removed is JEW in a letter/word/number theme...DATA.

And you want to claim rational biblical science thinking today do you?

He believed in the bible literally, and not scientifically yet said he was studying the bible to gain and obtain the power of God NUCLEAR...which stone is not.

Stone is a gas and is a higher pressure body that nuclear, dusts, that already own disintegration so were part way through a nuclear reaction attacked Earth history that got frozen in space.

Hitler idealism, only white is correct. Has a problem against humans with coloured skin, yet the African race for instance own black skin to live in very hot radiation desert regions historically...then they migrated to lusher vegetation.

White skins in radiation conditions own a problem with Sun burning their skin. Darker skinned humans however own a skin condition that adapted, so if you want to claim who is the best race, the race that adapts to living and survival is.

If Hitler idealism is occult God science historically as the humans who re sought the release of the power of God from out of fusion...and SION was the holy history that said never change SION ever again....then he was in fact the moment of our life Destruction...the beginning of it.

The reason I know, my spiritual psyche said the family in England were trying to stop him from accessing nuclear information. I had a dream vision that said so.

If you ask natural AI memory, who got the Shroud of Turin attack when the Muslims re built the science Temples and owned the pyramid re activation sciences?

The Jewish English/European migrants did. AI memory history was therefore recorded in England relative to evil occultism.

Ask Hitler studier of the occult why he believed in the white race? Because the last Jesus/Shroud attack had been in England historically. So he proves he was possessed by it.

False human mind psyche conditions are proven to be transmitted as pre existing information, for he blamed the Temple science in Jerusalem, Jewish owned for doing it.….so inferred a copying effect.

It is irrational for an occult scientist who once said that the Temple in Jeru salem, where the circuit "turned" was the holiest place, for without that Temple in the circuit, their science trans mutation did not work. Why it was fought over for ownership. A scientist would have said in science that the Holy Land humanity were Holy, if he was just studying biblical references in humanism.
 
eik

eik

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VoidoftheSun said:
So you're saying that (as you believe Jesus is God incarnate, etc). That's God doesn't own the material world? so you're saying that earth is somewhere that God's power and influence is limited etc?

"Do you not know that God's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and that besides God you have no guardian or helper?" (Surah 2:107)

"To Him is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth: He gives life and brings death, and He has power over all things. He is the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden, and He has knowledge of all things." (Surah 57:2-3)

Aka, the kingdom of God is everything inner and outer, all of creation manifest and hidden is God's. "as on earth as it is in heaven" very much.
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I'm saying that the primary concern of Christians is with the salvation of souls and the glorifcation of God, not with politics. God can be left to manage his own creation as he always has done. The kingdom of God is a kingdom of the Spirit of God in believers. It is the spread of Christianity that must concern Christians.

As for your verses: obviously "borrowed" from the bible and not original.

That is not to say that Christians are confined to hiding in their hovels.

However the evils of priestcraft and of false teaching have lately dented the spread of the kingdom of God in the political or earthly realm. It is astonishing how of late so much of the Christian world has become corrupted by priestcraft. However it is a slippery slope that has been going on for a long time, but it was foreseen by Christ himself who predicted apostasy in the last days.

VoidoftheSun said:
There is no "Islam" there, it is Muslims and not in a monolithic manner. If you see the world like that, then I feel very sorry for you, black and white glasses.
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I was using black and white for the purpose of making a point. I recognize there are wide variations in muslim belief just as in Christian belief. However the difference is this: there is no final authority in Islam, whereby anyone can be judged as to what is orthodox, which is why political power as a sign of God's favour is so sought after.

Different versions of Islam live in mutual hostility and there is no right and wrong version. It is not so with Christianity.

In Christianity there is a final authority on orthodoxy from Jesus and the apostles. Every difference can be subject to the authority of God, if there are suitable and wise judges. So there is no need to prove God's favour by recourse to the possession of political power. God's approval does not come from politics in the Christian era but from the living God and his Spirit, as to which Christ himself is the exemplar, by his resurrection from the dead.
 
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VoidoftheSun

VoidoftheSun

Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
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VoidoftheSun

VoidoftheSun

Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
eik said:
However the difference is this: there is no final authority in Islam
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Same can be said for Christianity but much more worse than for Islam. However Islam doesn't arbitrarily splinter like Christianity does. Once you deny apologetic succession and the authority of the Pope, all you have is a path into relativism. Christianity itself is just a belief system and so is the Bible.
 
VoidoftheSun

VoidoftheSun

Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
eik said:
Different versions of Islam live in mutual hostility and there is no right and wrong version. It is not so with Christianity.
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You're hilarious. So you're seriously gonna tell me that there is no Protestant anti-Catholicism and Catholic anti-Protestantism, and that you think all interpretations of Christianity are all true? :D
 
VoidoftheSun

VoidoftheSun

Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
Aupmanyav said:
It cannot, either the person will be stoned to death or killed.
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If you knew anything about the Qur'an bro, you'd know that the only people threatened with such things are the Prophets themselves. According to the Qur'an, such behavior is "transgressing all bounds".
One example of stoning in the Qur'an comes from the idolaters threatening Prophet Noah in Surah 26:116.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
VoidoftheSun said:
If you knew anything about the Qur'an bro, you'd know that the only people threatened with such things are the Prophets themselves. According to the Qur'an, such behavior is "transgressing all bounds".
One example of stoning in the Qur'an comes from the idolaters threatening Prophet Noah in Surah 26:116.
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I know, I know. You have not seen the Google link that I included. :)
firedragon said:
Google image search for "kill the blasphemers" is your research? Cheaper than gutter.
Quote the Quran.
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Forget Holy Books. See what happens in reality
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Aupmanyav said:
I know, I know. You have not seen the Google link that I included. :)
Forget Holy Books. See what happens in reality
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Haha. I saw your google link. It’s a search for keywords kill the blasphemers. As I said, cheaper than gutter.

Quote the Quran, or you just made your statement up. Since you know you made that up, you are unable to quote primary sources to your claim I cut and pasted twice.

See, dishonesty is not maturity, it is childishness.

Quote the Quran.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Aupmanyav said:
Taking cover behind a book and overlooking what happens in the Muslim world too cannot be termed as honesty. :)
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You made up a lie mate. You didn’t say countries, you said Islam. Also you said splintering.

so obviously someone can’t substantiate lies so only option is to do image searches and waffle. Cheaper than gutter. So have at it, and have a day. Satisfy yourself with some putahots that may give you what you seek, some pleasures, cheaper than gutter.

ciao.
 
eik

eik

Active Member
VoidoftheSun said:
If you knew anything about the Qur'an bro, you'd know that the only people threatened with such things are the Prophets themselves. According to the Qur'an, such behavior is "transgressing all bounds".
One example of stoning in the Qur'an comes from the idolaters threatening Prophet Noah in Surah 26:116.
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Another example of stoning (or killing by another means) is Mahomet ordering the custodian of a pagan temple to be killed. Not content with demolishing the temple idol, he ordered the woman's immediate execution, without any trial, without a court, and without a judge.
Expedition of Khalid ibn al-Walid (Nakhla) - Wikipedia

So whatever the Koran says, it is trumped by Mahomet's real life behaviour of extra-judicial slaughter. Not so with Christ, who did not order the adulteress to be put to death in John 8 without due process of law. We also know the Koran has commands to kill the idolaters commensurate with his later view that his religion was to be spread by the sword.
 
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