Supreme Court rules subsidization of private schools must also include religious ones

[Father Heathen]

The lessen the burden of financing public schools.

How so?

 

[Revoltingest]

Obviously. Public via tax. Private via their direct customers.

Government has chosen to subsidize private schools to ease
the burden on those paying tuition. Having made this choice,
we then faced the issue of subsidizing religious schools.

 

[Revoltingest]

How so?

Students attending private schools don't require public school buildings & staff.
This means having fewer of those, thereby lowering the cost.

 

[esmith]

Answer my question.

Why?

 

[esmith]

Citation ****ing needed. Please demonstrate that schools 'don't change' when given adequate budget and supplies.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why?

So your posts won't be regarded as worthless spam?

 

[Father Heathen]

Students attending private schools don't require public school buildings & staff.
This means having fewer of those, thereby lowering the cost.

So it's cheaper for the tax payer to divert some of what they give toward religious indoctrination?

 

[esmith]

So your posts won't be regarded as worthless spam?

Ok;
You want to know why your tax dollars should go to them.
OK
Do you not consider the education of our youth is important?
If you do, then wouldn't you want to have your tax dollars to go to a school that produces a better educated person?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

But if they're a private for profit business, what are their hands doing in my pockets? I'm not receiving any of their services in return.

Not sure where I stand on all of this, some of the language in the article was very American so I'll have to figure out what it means. But briefly;

This was about differences in funding access between religious private schools and non religious private schools. Doesn't change whether their hands are in your pocket.

Taxes pay for lots of services an individual tax payer doesn't use.

I'm kinda anti-private schools entirely, but I'm trying to work out what my thoughts are (if any) on this particular item.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Ok;
You want to know why your tax dollars should go to them.
OK
Do you not consider the education of our youth is important?
If you do, then wouldn't you want to have your tax dollars to go to a school that produces a better educated person?

I'd want it to go to the best possible education system.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

All this tells me is that Chicago is not meeting its actual public funding needs. Shockingly, incredibly large volume cities with tens of thousands of kids need more funding than rural county schools. Chicago is the third largest school district in the nation.
https://budgetblog.ctbaonline.org/f...etween-funding-needs-and-reality-44680cfa0c8d
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/1/20894476/illinois-money-matters-how-school-funding-inequities-affect-students-
There's also additional problems of schools per pop volume disparities because the urban density continues to grow while not enough new public schools are being built. Again, due to lack of funding. The same thing would happen if you tried to push it to private schools, unless you eliminated any low income student from private schools (which, hey, turns out classism is baked into private schooling so coolio).

 

[Father Heathen]

Ok;
You want to know why your tax dollars should go to them.
OK
Do you not consider the education of our youth is important?
If you do, then wouldn't you want to have your tax dollars to go to a school that produces a better educated person?

I would rather fix a broken system than fund a private for profit school that might also teach a political/religious agenda that I strongly disagree with.

 

[Father Heathen]

Not sure where I stand on all of this, some of the language in the article was very American so I'll have to figure out what it means. But briefly;

This was about differences in funding access between religious private schools and non religious private schools. Doesn't change whether their hands are in your pocket.

Taxes pay for lots of services an individual tax payer doesn't use.

I'm kinda anti-private schools entirely, but I'm trying to work out what my thoughts are (if any) on this particular item.

I understand that not everything I pay taxes for I use, but they go toward things society needs, so it's an investment into bettering a society I live in.
But private schools are also for profit businesses aimed at serving an exclusive clientele, such as the upper class, or toward a specific religion.
For example, I really don't like the idea that I might be buying the text books for some rich conservative christian family's brat that teach him evolution and global warming are liberal hoaxes, while those who run the schools are driving around in cars most of us would never be able to.

 

[Father Heathen]

I wonder if the conservatives would still be fine with this if it turned out their tax money was going to a private Muslim school whose curriculum included antisemitic and anti-american material.

 

[Revoltingest]

So it's cheaper for the tax payer to divert some of what they give toward religious indoctrination?

Also math, science, etc.

 

[esmith]

I would rather fix a broken system than fund a private for profit school that might also teach a political/religious agenda that I strongly disagree with.

And you don't think our public institutions of higher learning do not have a political agenda that myself and other disagree with? Get serious.

 

[esmith]

I wonder if the conservatives would still be fine with this if it turned out their tax money was going to a private Muslim school whose curriculum included antisemitic and anti-american material.

So you don't have an issue with public institutions of higher learning that have an ati-American agenda?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I understand that not everything I pay taxes for I use, but they go toward things society needs, so it's an investment into bettering a society I live in.
But private schools are also for profit businesses aimed at serving an exclusive clientele, such as the upper class, or toward a specific religion.
For example, I really don't like the idea that I might be buying the text books for some rich conservative christian family's brat that teach him evolution and global warming are liberal hoaxes, while those who run the schools are driving around in cars most of us would never be able to.

I tend to broaden it to 'rich family's brat', but there are some substantial differences in educational system structures between the US and Australia, so I'm being somewhat evasive in terms of committing too strongly.

I'm very passionate about education, just a few things in that article which didn't make sense to me as an outsider (despite my education background).

 

[Revoltingest]

I tend to broaden it to 'rich family's brat'....

That's inaccurate.
Some kids' families are rich, but I've known ordinary working folk who
sent their kids to private schools. One co-worker in Baltimore, an atheist,
sent his kids to a Catholic school cuz the public schools were so bad.

 

[Shaul]

But if they're a private for profit business, what are their hands doing in my pockets? I'm not receiving any of their services in return.

They are merely providing a service to the community and getting paid for that. To wit, they are being paid to provide a secular education to community children.