Am I allowed to be a proud white person?

[Koldo]

But not ethnic pride? That is, must it be cast in a negative light?

Necessarily so.
My question to you is: How is any of what you have described any different from racism? What distinction do you see?

 

[Secret Chief]

As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:

• Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
• An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
• Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
• Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
• Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

Here's a pretty standard definition of racism from a pretty standard dictionary (Collins):
"Racism is the belief that people of some races are inferior to others, and the behaviour which is the result of this belief. Racism also refers to the aspects of a society which prevent people of some racial groups from having the same privileges and opportunities as people from other races."

Having read and hopefully accepted that to be a reasonable definition of what racism is, why not read your own OP back - and then you should be able to answer your own question.

 

[Harel13]

Necessarily so.
My question to you is: How is any of what you have described any different from racism?

What @SA Huguenot has described in his OP appears to me to be ethnic pride. I translated his questions to a different form of ethnicity and asked them once again.
I take it you hold that ethnic pride, cultural pride - those are bad things?

 

[Twilight Hue]

As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:

• Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
• An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
• Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
• Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
• Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

I'm proud to be White only because I am one.

If people want to call me privileged for whatever reason go for it, even though I have yet to experience that so-called privilege that they're talking about.

 

[sun rise]

He says he wants to tell his children only to marry whites.

He says he only wants to socialise with whites.

He tries to justify the Bantustans

Yes. "Separate but equal" is evil and even more is passing.

I wouldn't want my kids to hang around with non-Jews

So if Christians don't want you to live in their neighborhood and enforce that with rules and don't want you to be in their schools and call you "Christ killer", that's OK by you? And if Palestinians don't want you in that land and plan to take over and put you in ghettos, that's OK because they're entitled to their opinion, that's OK by you? And if business owners don't want their employees hanging around Jews, that's also OK by you?

In the Bible, you never find the word "pride" in a positive sense. Pride comes before destruction.

Since the OP author identifies as a Christian, your comment applies.

 

[Harel13]

He says he wants to tell his children only to marry whites.

He says he only wants to socialise with whites.

Only just saw your edit.
It sounded to me like he wants to preserve his ethnic background, his Afrikaner Boer culture.

He tries to justify the Bantustans set up under apartheid to provide white S Africa with a tame population of black labour, while denying them any share of the riches of the country they worked for, which was taken from them by the colonists.

This may be wrong. But the other things?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, you are a racist. Your remarks above make that obvious.

It's only racist if you weaponize your skin color and proactively go out and try to hurt other people over it.

 

[Koldo]

What @SA Huguenot has described in his OP appears to me to be ethnic pride. I translated his questions to a different form of ethnicity and asked them once again.
I take it you hold that ethnic pride, cultural pride - those are bad things?

I wouldn't label any of what you have said in your former post as ethinic pride.

 

[Harel13]

So if Christians don't want you to live in their neighborhood and enforce that with rules and don't want you to be in their schools and call you "Christ killer", that's OK by you? And if Palestinians don't want you in that land and plan to take over and put you in ghettos, that's OK because they're entitled to their opinion, that's OK by you? And if business owners don't want their employees hanging around Jews, that's also OK by you?

I guess it wasn't clear enough that I was asking a hypothetical question. It also wasn't clear that in the hypothetical I wasn't teaching my children that other humans are lesser or evil. However, some extra-cultural influences I find to be problematic and would not want my kids to be exposed to these. Kids are easily influenced. I see nothing wrong for keeping them secluded for a certain period of their lives because I believe staying Jewish is important.

 

[Harel13]

I wouldn't label any of what you have said in your former post as ethinic pride.

Why?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Would it be the same if I said I was proud that my entire family is Jewish? (I'm wondering, not attacking...)

Jews are very exclusive people yet people don't condemn them for their desire to remain Jewish.

It's really quite a paradox and at the same time understandable.

 

[Terry Sampson]

He is about as racist as most people I know

Hear! Hear!

 

[Twilight Hue]

But not ethnic pride? That is, must it be cast in a negative light?

It's nice to know I'm not the only one who sees the hypocrisy associated with ethnic pride.

 

[Koldo]

Why?

Ethinic pride has to do with feeling pride over what your ancestors have achieved, and the culture they have built.
However, what you were saying is that people that are not part of your group are a bad influence though. That's racism in a nutshell.

 

[Harel13]

However, what you were saying is that people that are not part of your group are a bad influence though. That's racism in a nutshell.

How else would one preserve their culture?

 

[QuestioningMind]

As it is known, I am from South Africa, White, Christian, 58Yo, the typical labled "White privelaged.
Throughout my whole life, I worked hard, made money, looked after my wife, children and now grand children. I perceive myself as a ethnic group called the Afrikaner, with my ancestery from 1569 when my great arrived in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck to build a halfway station for the VOC between Holland and India. My ancestors were born, lived and died for self determination in this country where they bought land which eventually ended up as the republics of Orange Free state, Transvaal and Natal.
They NEVER took the indigenous people as slaves, and even though they did own slaves, these were people who were sent into bannishment by the Dutch government due to wars they had with nations in East Africa, India and elsewhare.
The slaves my greats did own, were set free before 1834 with the British emancipation. This was at least 30 years before the US.
As the Afrikaner lived in Africa, they were constantly attacked by the Black dictator leaders of various tribes, and thousands of peacefull white Christians died in gruesome circumstances being impaled, skinned alive, their children killed before them, women raped and eviscerated before being clubbed to death.
As the Afrikaner fought back, they always made peace treaties with the black tribes, only to be deceived and their livestock stolen, and the killing was just continued.

Eventually the Brittish sent 500 000 soldiers to our republics, and we held them at bay with only 60 000 men aged 7 to 70.
The brittish lost all their battles, and devised a plan of "scorched earth", burning all the farms, capturing all the women and children and placing them in concentration camps.

They did not feed them and 23500 children less than 3 years died of hunger. 1500 women succumbed too.
There was nothing to do but for the Afrikaner Boer fighters to surender.
A glorious English rose, Emmily Hobhouse, took on the British government and made the world aware of these atrocities committed.
The Boer families returned to their farms to find absolutely no livestock left, houses and stores burned off, and in desperatin went to the cities and lived in squatter camps as one of the poorest nations on Earth at that time.

It took the Afrikaner Boers only 8 years to get back in their feet, and eventually even assisted the Allied forces in fighting Germany in both world wars, where they were known as the best of fighters.

After 1948, the Afrikaner again gained independence from Brittain, and they made laws to protect their kin.
These laws was to ensure that the Afrikaner rules their own country, and no one would take it away again.

This ment that the neighbouring Black people would have their own independent lands, but the South African country would allow Black and coloured to work in the RSA.
As time progressed, the black politicians hated this country, and started to call it their land.
Everything went back to the age of burning, murdering and pillaging.
Eventually the whole world stood against these White people who was now painted as the most horrible ceatures on earth with their Apartheid laws, which was constructed to protect the White Afrikaner.

The White people did not agree with the old National Party government using illegal arrests against the Black politicians, and communist agitators, and voted to change the constitution.
We were betrayed by our leaders, and we were made second class citisens in a country stolen from us by the ANC.
Today the black politicians and communists allow open borders, looting, killing of white farmers, rape, hi jackings, and the burning of libraries, schools, and businusses.

In the mean time, my people are called rubbish and recist galore, whilst the World ignores what the Black communists are doing to this country and the Afrikaner.

Now I want to know:

• Am I allowed to be White in Africa?
• An I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?
• Do the Black people in Europe and US see what the Black racists can do with a great country where they made 30% unemployed and another 40% government employees, and still accuse the whites of being advantaged?
• Am I allowed to call these black people out for what they are doing, if I am allowed, is it racism? If I an mot allowed, why not?
• Am I allowed to say that evry "White Nation" on this earth became prosperous, and in Africa the Black people are incapable to achieve the same standard? If I am not allowed to say this, why not becaue it is a fact?

Now, my last questions:
Am I allowed to be proud to be white?
Am I allowed to demand to entertain my family, friends and other Afrikaners who is white?
Am I allowed to live my social life with Whites only?
Am I allowed to teach my children to rather marry with Whites?
Am I allowed to be proud of my White children and grand children?

If the above makes me a racist, please tell me why.

Sadly, yes you are a racist. I could pick out several things you said that are blatantly racist, but the one below is probably the worst.

Am I correct to say that the very destruction we see in South Africa was the very reason why my greats constructed Apartheid?

This is the old "We did black people a FAVOR by enslaving them and treating them like subhumans," trope. You sound like that racist rancher from Colorado a few years back who claimed that black people should be THANKFUL that white people cared enough about them to feed them and give them a place to live.

The black people in S. Africa had a vibrant culture and were doing just fine before your great ancestor came along and decided that they were subhuman beasts who were put on Earth by god to labor for superior white people. Then after centuries of abusing them and keeping them uneducated when they finally rise up against their oppressors they quite understandable hold resentment against their long time oppressors and due to being kept ignorant generation after generation have trouble suddenly running things in this culture they've been forced into, you throw up your hands and say: "SEE, I always KNEW they were incapable of doing anything without proper white supervision!"

That's truly pathetic.

I'm a white person and there's plenty of things that I'm proud of about myself and my ancestors. However, I can't think of a single thing that I'm proud of that's due to the fact that my skin is white. There's nothing I'm accomplished that I can say: "Hey, I'm proud I was able to do that, EVEN THOUGH the fact that my skin color is white forced me to overcome far more obstacles than I would have had to face if my skin were a different color."

I can just hear you now: "But why do black people get to have BLACK PRIDE?"

Because of the very reason I mentioned above. Black people have been told for centuries that they are lesser human beings, simply because of the shade of their skin. Black people face obstacles that white people will NEVER have to face, because white people don't have centuries of being told they are incapable and unworthy to overcome nor do they live in a society that often supports such attitudes.

 

[Koldo]

How else would one preserve their culture?

By keeping its' practices and customs. How else?

 

[Harel13]

By keeping its' practices and customs. How else?

And if I fear that if Jewish kids mingle with non-Jewish kids, they will decide to give up Judaism? Does that make Judaism a weak culture that should be given up in any case?

 

[Terry Sampson]

those are bad things?

They are if you have 'em; they aren't, if I have 'em. Why? Because you don't know how to control them; but I do.

 

[Revoltingest]

They are if you have 'em; they aren't, if I have 'em. Why? Because you don't know how to control them; but I do.

Aye, if blacks want to keep "Chocolate City" (their term...not mine)
it's "empowerment", not racism.