No. His actions endanger me. He has no right to do so.
It seems that the right has been infected by the "sovereign citizen" madness.
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GOP Ohio state lawmaker refuses to wear face mask because faces are the 'likeness of God'
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It seems that the right has been infected by the "sovereign citizen" madness.
Masks out in public during a plague though....that's a choice which affects others.
In the case of the snowmobile yes. He can harm himself all he wants. But in the case of wearing a mask to protect others from what he may be carrying, no. The only choice should be this. Wear it, or stay at home. It's not about him. It's about others. Selfishishness, is not a right when it comes to public safety.
He does not get a choice in the matter when it comes to following the rules of public safety. It is not a legitimate choice to ignore the rules of the road and run the red light and hit a pedestrian. He doesn't get to choose what rules he has to obey or not, without being arrested. This is unbelievably simple to understand.
I hope that responding to my own post isn't a sin.
Anyway....
If we're to keep the authoritarians (read "liberals) at bay, it'll be necessary
to convince them to require safe behavior in preference to locking down
businesses & other activities. Requiring masks strikes me as acceptable
when in the face of the economically damaging alternative.
I would not mischaracterize this as a liberal thing. I call it an intelligence versus stupidity thing. Intelligent people who are liberals and conservatives, need stupid people from both liberal and conservative ranks, to view this as a totally non-partisan thing. It's a human, self-preservation, public safety for all others, regardless of worldviews sorts of things. Only the stupid, cannot see past their selfishness.
And they exist in all religions, ethnic groups, and political ideologies. Those who are equipped for survival who use their reasoning minds, versus those who are so stupid they put themselves and all others at risk because they can only think of themselves and their minor little inconveniences, whining and belly aching about not getting to do what they want, whenever they want. Babies, not adults. Stupid, not intelligent. .
It's a joke about how things are playing out on RF.
I think it's more non-partisan than some RF posters are making it out to be.
Protesting doesn't make someone a Nazi.
It should be non-partisan, but it's not just the RF posters who make it partisan. Not-wearing of the mask for a lot of people, is them saying "I am making a stand for my rights" in opposition to those "liberals" who are so "goodie-two-shoes", that their masks become a symbol of their liberal righteousness. It is stupidity that sees things this way, and sadly, that is what is already happening in our already-polarized society. You don't think this is being made partisan by the Divider in Chief?
WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Friday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was urging all Americans to wear a mask when they leave their homes, but he immediately undercut the message by repeatedly calling the recommendation voluntary and promising that he would not wear one himself.
“With the masks, it is going to be really a voluntary thing,” the president said at the beginning of the daily coronavirus briefing at the White House. “You can do it. You don’t have to do it. I am choosing not to do it. But some people may want to do it, and that’s OK. It may be good. Probably will — they’re making a recommendation. It’s only a recommendation, it’s voluntary.”
“Wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens — I don’t know,” he added. “Somehow, I don’t see it for myself.”
Mr. Trump’s announcement, followed by his quick dismissal, was a remarkable public display of the intense debate that has played out inside the West Wing over the past several days as a divided administration argued about whether to request such a drastic change in Americans’ social behavior.
Dr. Steven Choi, the chief quality officer and associate dean at Yale New Haven Health System and Yale University School of Medicine, said the president’s behavior at the briefing contributed to confusion among health care workers and regular Americans.
“For anyone, particularly the president of the United States, to ignore recommendations from the C.D.C. is not only irresponsible but selfish,” Dr. Choi said.
“With the masks, it is going to be really a voluntary thing,” the president said at the beginning of the daily coronavirus briefing at the White House. “You can do it. You don’t have to do it. I am choosing not to do it. But some people may want to do it, and that’s OK. It may be good. Probably will — they’re making a recommendation. It’s only a recommendation, it’s voluntary.”
“Wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens — I don’t know,” he added. “Somehow, I don’t see it for myself.”
Mr. Trump’s announcement, followed by his quick dismissal, was a remarkable public display of the intense debate that has played out inside the West Wing over the past several days as a divided administration argued about whether to request such a drastic change in Americans’ social behavior.
Dr. Steven Choi, the chief quality officer and associate dean at Yale New Haven Health System and Yale University School of Medicine, said the president’s behavior at the briefing contributed to confusion among health care workers and regular Americans.
“For anyone, particularly the president of the United States, to ignore recommendations from the C.D.C. is not only irresponsible but selfish,” Dr. Choi said.
A Debate Over Masks Uncovers Deep White House Divisions
As I see it, it is a stupid vs smart thing. And since Donald is the champion of the far-right, his stupid leads the way, rather than reason and intelligence, which unites us in times of crisis, rather than encouraging stupidity.
I understand that the problem is broader than on RF.
But it appears more polarized here than IRL.
In Michigan, I also know Democrats who agree with
me about the need to loosen restrictions. But here,
it's turned into a rather purely partisan divide.
I think we need to loosen restrictions as well, dependent wholly of course upon there being enough tests done daily to monitor and control hotspots. Otherwise, it's just wishful thinking that it'll not result in a major resurgence of the virus, which will have made everything we've done to help the system so far for no reason. The result of opening before we are actually ready to deal with it, will only make everything worse for everyone.
Reality has to be dealt with. It's not going to just go away, like Trump and his wishful thinking dreams against reality will happen. We can't just go back to the way things were. This is the new reality. And physical-distancing, and wearing masks for public health safety reasons, will be here to stay. We just have to be willing to face reality and take the correct measures, listening to the experts and using basic common sense in order to open things up. Otherwise, we're just protesting as an expression of our still being in denial. Having a Denier in Chief at the helm, does not help bring those outliers into the fold of good sense they need in order to be part of the rest of the world. Unfortunately, he empowers stupidity, and nothing good can follow.
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There's nothing "Judaeo-Christian" about it.
Shad
Veteran Member
Idiotic rational.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Indeed. Hence my suspicion. I've come across this "Judaeo-Christian" trope before, from people trying to excuse what is really an anti-muslim agenda. But he may have meant it innocently enough. I don't know anything about the guy.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yup. That is why it was imperative to defeat Trump. The People voted accordingly (except for those who didn't and voted for the likelihood of conservative religious judges). The EC jamed an elephant sized dildo up us with no lube and made it possible to flood the courtd with these religious idiots who expect us all to be subserviant to their specific ways.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Not if he is going to infect people who might die as a result, no.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I was referring to Windwalker's post.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes, so as long as, when you say "no matter what the reason", you are still only talking about snowmobiles and not about masks to contain the spread of a dangerous virus. OK?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Government leaders are expected to behave in a responsible, professional manner. Not like superstitious children.
I wonder if he would expect his doctors to wear masks if he had to go in for surgery.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Damned liberal speed limits and stop signs (red lights stand for communism, and yellow lights cowardice). I'm going to ignore such liberal tyranny and drive as fast as I want and will stop and yield only when I feel like doing so! Because freedom! Don't tread on me! MAGA! Git 'r dun!
Good luck with that expectation.
I've seen dubious policies from Michiganistan, Texas, NY, & others.
Hope for the best....expect the worst....advocate for better.