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@dad
You gripe horrendously that i have not provided evidence (nonsense of course) and here in post 4 i provided evidence. Guess what, you completely ignored it an carried on with your in evidenced nonsence.
Expected of course.
It's a complete waste of time trying to have a rational discussion with him.
I know but its fun and passes the time to see his overt cognitive dissonance during the lock down period.
I agree... they were not created... and certainly not by any god.
You an Aussie?
I am not into a lot of this creationist stuff (though I see a good approximation of the
accurate sequence of events in the first Genesis 1 account)
But when we say no god made stars we need to qualify what we mean. A god or
gods could pull hydrogen into a gravitationally dense ball and cause nuclear
ignition. They could do this by huffing and puffing, or they could create the rules
to do it for them. Thus "God commanded the seas to bring forth life."
Yes I'm an Aussie.
A god or gods could but as I've seen no evidence for any god I doubt it but I'm happy to consider any evidence.
Funny joke. I told my mother "I read that the number of kookaburras has halved over the last
15 years."
My mother, who feeds them on our farm every day, replied, "That's nonsense. There's eight
out there right now."
I asked, "How many were there 15 years ago?"
My mother replies, "About 16."
I'm a bit of a bird nerd, well a lot of a bird nerd. If it wasn't for this stupid virus I'd be out on mudflats photographing annd counting migratory shore birds before they leave for Siberia. Oh well, I'm better off then most.
Yes I'm an Aussie.
A god or gods could but as I've seen no evidence for any god I doubt it but I'm happy to consider any evidence.
The kind someone made up and you parrot back.
Relax. If any false science article contains blasphemy and misinformation and lies about origins, realize that this is what they are all about. When I lift out something from a study or science article, it is never ever meant to endorse the belief set they peddle as a whole.Your OP said they weren't... It's your post not mine
I missed that post. Great so you tried to mount a defense of your beliefs.@dad
You gripe horrendously that i have not provided evidence (nonsense of course) and here in post 4 i provided evidence. Guess what, you completely ignored it an carried on with your in evidenced nonsence.
Expected of course.
"Where is the faith in that? One doctor gives a hypothesis based on his knowledge of cosmology.
FYI, several methods to measure a stars size
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys440/lectures/size/size.html
OH and distance is measured using paralax or colour spectrum"
Who does not predict hydrogen? Hydrogen is the most abundant gas in the universe, always has been. It was the first gas to form when conditions cooled enough to atoms form. Every single star used hydrogen as it primary fuel source. Did not predict? What a silly and ignorant statement.
No, dad just very childish and dishonest anti-science creationist, who doesn’t understand the concept of verifiable scientific evidence.
There are many good introductory books on astronomy, if you are truly interested in learning. One of them I coauthored though it is out of print.
I am curious - as a fellow follower of Christ - do you see some conflict between astronomy/physics and Christianity? Or is your rejection of science based on something else?
Well that's good because some of the light from stars that reaches Earth are already millions of years old.No, the joke is not on me at all. The only stars that matter here are the ones they claim came together to make this SN, or rather, golly gee just must have come together, because we need that to have happened for our belief set.
As for what you think are stars coming together (it may take millions of years to see that happen in your mind) well, forget about it. You don't even know what stars really are or how far any of them is or how big!
What would be happening is not what you think or why you think and does not involve the time you think, or etc.
The examples are never-ending, here is a recent example of faith in action in cosmological claims.
""SN2016aps also contained another puzzle," added Dr Nicholl. "The gas we detected was mostly hydrogen -- but such a massive star would usually have lost all of its hydrogen via stellar winds long before it started pulsating. One explanation is that two slightly less massive stars of around, say 60 solar masses, had merged before the explosion. The lower mass stars hold onto their hydrogen for longer, while their combined mass is high enough to trigger the pair instability."
Scientists discover supernova that outshines all others
Besides the basics such as not being able to know sizes or distances to stars, (they base all distances on a belief time exists homogeneously in the universe) we see the principle of faith in action here. They did not predict or expect Hydrogen. So, there 'golly gee just must have' been two stars merging just before the event. Hahaha
No one needs to debunk faith claims. Those making science claims need to demostrate that they have more. You can't.No, dad just very childish and dishonest anti-science creationist, who doesn’t understand the concept of verifiable scientific evidence.
Dad doesn’t understand that in order to debunk modern astronomy, debunk geology, debunk paleontology, debunk etc etc etc, he is required to negative evidence to debunk them. But he doesn’t know how to go about acquiring these evidence against sciences, so he make up all sorts of irrational claims.
And in order to support the Genesis Creation and Genesis flood and the Genesis astronomy, he would not only require physical evidence of these events, but also physical evidence of his creator god being responsible for these creation. But once again, he doesn’t know how to acquire evidence to back his current topic, the creation of stars and Sun.
So what does dad do? He make up some new irrational BS claims.
Good news, no light that reaches here can be shown to be more than a few days old. (even that is a stretch).Well that's good because some of the light from stars that reaches Earth are already millions of years old.
I use creation as a working assumption. You use invisible stars for which there is no evidence and no one has ever seen. You just need them to have existed and done what you need to be done. Whatever.I may be wrong, but are you conflating/confusing a working assumption used in an effort to test theory and determine what would amount to supporting evidence with an idea that is, on authority-based faith, presumed true no matter what one's personal or collective experience is?
Yes.
Yes. Right here on this little blue dot that has so much meaning, and that will be here when the stars go out.
The ideas that science has of what this universe really is are not correct. Its origin and fate are very different. It's actual purposes and distances and time and space are misconceived by science.