Altfish
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No, the government will be relieved that the virus has struck, because the financial woes can justifiably be blamed on the virus; hiding the chaos that would have occurred post-Brexit.
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Boris Johnson - let's see how he and his government performs....
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Shad
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Still a stereotype that lost labour the election.
Shad
Veteran Member
Boeing is doing this right now to cover for their losses from the 737 grounding.
Altfish
Veteran Member
And the right wing press and the BBC's vilification of Corbyn was nothing to do with it?
Shad
Veteran Member
Corbyn is a single person while your view is about a group of people that vote. See the difference?
Altfish
Veteran Member
Of course but there was more than one issue that lost the election.
Shad
Veteran Member
Sure. My point it is poor optics if one wants to win people over on specific issues.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Labour would have had no need to delay, they aren't invested in disaster capitalism or beholden to financiers and huge donors (i.e. the 0.1%). So they wouldn't have sat on their hands for eight weeks telling everyone it was overblown, dumb panic to be wary in order that their friends could realign their interests. The herd immunity strategy was possibly the most plain signalling of complete disinterest in the welfare of this country by a government in office I've ever seen. You can think what you want of Labour and Corbyn but not in a million lifetimes would a Corbyn government has contemplated letting hundreds of thousands of UK citizens die to protect some special economic interests.
I reckon they would have told most employers to close down ealier and given everyone quick access to funds to replace lost wages. Ireland set up a 200 Euro weekly payment programme pretty quickly for people that would take 48 hours to process for those who couldn't work due to the shutdown. Denmark, Italy, France, Spain all had announced mortgage and bill freezes much earlier than the UK and I've no doubt Labour would have been all over that. This is important because we still can't get people to stay at home even now because they can't get paid and most people are one wage away from disaster.
I also think we'd have been looking at an NHS that wasbetter prepared for what is coming. It isn't like we didn't know that medical proffessionals and other care and support workers need protective clothing and access to testing. It's hard to imagine a Labour party that ran on the promise of saving the NHS wouldn't have seen the obvious need to order facemasks, tests, and ventilators when they had almost two months warning.
Sorry, that's a bit of a rant but I think it answers your question.
Look after yourself.
Notanumber
A Free Man
The Tories had the right idea at the beginning of the pandemic but have since succumbed to external pressures.
Martin
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Maybe he wants to spread the blame in case it all goes horribly wrong. He could also blame the medical and scientific advisors I suppose. Anyone but the Tories, though of course they were the ones who ran down public services, leaving them now struggling to cope. Health service, social care, public health, police, County councils, etc, all underfunded for the last 10 years.
Meanwhile Prince Charles has been diagnosed with corona... But hang on, how come he gets a test when front line medical staff still aren't getting them? Apparently he isn't seriously ill, and the advice is to just self-isolate in those circumstances, and not request medical intervention. It's one rule for the priveliged toffs, and another for the rest of us.
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Notanumber
A Free Man
Mrs May tried to do something about social care and it almost lost her the election.
Martin
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The weird thing is that they came up with something workable years before that, I think it was a £70k cap on care costs (I thought at the time it was a reasonable solution). It had cross-party support, but it was shelved without explanation.
The greatest crises for 3/4 of a century and parliament is to close a week early for its easter break giving them a month holiday.
Way to go...
Way to go...
Augustus
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I don't pay attention to the news enough to have much of an idea, but were Labour genuinely demanding a lockdown, shutting borders (well significantly restricting) etc 8 weeks ago?
If so, fair enough I agree with you. If not, I find it hard to believe they would have anticipated the problem quickly enough to change things substantially had they been in power.
Corbyn isn't exactly the most dynamic or decisive of decision makers, or the first man you'd turn to in a crisis. Much like the current PM, he's a bumbling incompetent who is completely out of his depth as leader of the opposition let alone the country.
Johnson or Corbyn, it's not exactly an embarrassment of 'leader in a crisis' riches.
When were Labour calling for a shutdown though? What was Corbyn's response to the idiotic 'herd immunity' strategy?
Maybe your point about payments is right, but that alone would be too little too late. My point was more about could they have prevented the situation from becoming a crisis, rather than would they be a little bit better at rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. I agree that I would trust them more to look after the financial well-being of the average household during the crisis though.
Were Labour demanding the government do this 2 months ago? If they saw it coming they should have been pounding on the table and shouting from the rooftops.
If they were, I agree with you that they could have made a substantial difference. If not, there is nothing about the Labour leadership that inspires me to assume they would have become significantly more competent and decisive had they won the election. At best, marginally less incompetent, at worst marginally more so.
The current lot have been so totally inept that maybe the odds favour slightly less incompetent though.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Thank goodness for the Mirror
Jacob did not cause it. China caused it and they are the ones now profiteering from it, but you can criticize Jacob without running the risk of being called a racist.
Altfish
Veteran Member
So, is he giving 30% of his earnings to the NHS?