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(Religious Freedom) Now a crime in VA to attend services?

John53

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Good idea. But I already brought it up. Apparently you didn't read much farther as it was a reply of humor to show how ridiculous the idea is.

Go back and reread. Is separation of Church and State a joke? Uhhh....is it? Of course it is.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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I read it but didn't believe it after your previous admission of how willing you are to lie.
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Are you that dense? There is separation of Church and State. Not sports and state. Not bars and state.

Sorry, your opinion about what is a necessity for the Church is not going to change that.

If anything it demonstrates the shallowness of your understanding of church and state. Or, the hypocrisy of it. Take your pick.

You don't know anything about our faith,which will not dissolve. And believers will meet.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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Samantha Rinne said:
In many states, gathering has been restricted to under 50 ppl because of that virus. However, two news articles have made it to the surface.
The first is that in California, they are apparently turning off power and running water to people who don't close their businesses. What about people whose business is their home? You know, people who run a restaurant and live upstairs?
The second is more relevant to religious freedom. You see, in Virginia, that number got reduced down to about 10 people. Many other states also did this, so fair enough. But many other states like Michigan and Texas admitted that this doesn't apply to religious establishments. This ought to be correct. We have a little thing called separation of church and state, freedom of religion, and freedom of assembly. This ought to be unconstitutional even if it did prevent disease. Nahhhh, let's walk all over those rights! In Virginia, if 11 people show up to church, all of them are felons and can expect to be jailed or fined $2500!

Virginia governor makes attending church a criminal offense



He says this, but Northam has repeatedly pushed back deadlines, and I imagine he'd like it if churches closed indefinitely. As it stands, many will due to lack of funds. Anyone thinking atheism isn't a religion only has to look at how no such restrictions are made to the ABC store (which pays into his salary, and thus is an "essential business") but seems hellbent to get rid of churches. If that doesn't look like a rival religion, I dunno what does. Also, turns out it's racist. The ones most likely staying open are black Baptist churches (Episcopal and Methodists have all closed). Blackface Northam strikes again!

Yes, maybe some people do need to exercise precaution. But we cannot be allowed to overturn the Bill of Rights (in US) or other civil rights in other countries. Once you lose such freedoms, there is precedent for it, and you have trouble getting them back. We do have the right to assemble. And we do have right to religion. Probably there is an expectation that people will do it using social media, but not everyone is tech savvy.

In the mean time, I'll leave you this video. It's very disturbing, as it shows the unsettling event of the major church handing down edicts to backwoods churches. Will monastic groups be forced to split apart when they have no contact with the outside world and are unlikely to get sick?

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If a group of people want to get together in defiance of what is an effort to reduce the spread of a virus that is killing people as we sit here, then I'm just fine with that....as long as you all stay there and self quarantine for two weeks before you leave and and get tested on the way out.
Religious freedom is not absolute. And it is about the freedom to worship the mythology of your choice, not the freedom to endanger others while you do it.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
And, you are wrong. Their life does require it. Your life does not require it. What a stupid statement you make.
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It's a fact that no one is going to die of they dint go to church. Their health will not deteriorate.
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
So, you, the secular atheistic world dictate to the Christian what is a necessity?
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What a stupid statement to make to someone who isn't an atheist.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
It's a fact that no one is going to die of they dint go to church. Their health will not deteriorate.

What a stupid statement to make to someone who isn't an atheist.
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The Christian's life is not just physical. It is spiritual. Our spiritual life does deteriorate if we do not meet together.

OK, the secular atheist or pagan.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
With your posts, I don't believe it is your intention to carry out actions that will endanger others. I know you desire to do just that.
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The intention is for Christians to gather and worship God and Jesus Christ.

I liken it to earlier times when baptism was done in creeks or rivers or lakes, even during the winter. Should we do it based on the danger of one getting sick or catching their death of pneumonia? Yes, we should.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
columbus said:
I'm having the same problem with @Skwim in another thread.
Y'all can't understand English when the grammar is messy.

And yeah, I meant that to be as insulting as it sounded. You and Skwim are very similar.
Tom
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It's the spelling. I think you meant "mean" not "me". Not everyone is English native.

Okay. Carry on...
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
The intention is for Christians to gather and worship God and Jesus Christ.

I liken it to earlier times when baptism was done in creeks or rivers or lakes, even during the winter. Should we do it based on the danger of one getting sick or catching their death of pneumonia? Yes, we should.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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That is doing it to yourself. This virus, unlike going for a dunk in freezing water, is something you can give to others. People gathering poses a risk not just to you (and if was just you I wouldnt care if you want to risk death), but to everyone around you, and has been where you have been for up to three days. That is why NO ONE is allowed to gather for the time being.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
That is doing it to yourself. This virus, unlike going for a dunk in freezing water, is something you can give to others. People gathering poses a risk not just to you (and if was just you I wouldnt care if you want to risk death), but to everyone around you, and has been where you have been for up to three days. That is why NO ONE is allowed to gather for the time being.
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Not allowing believers to meet is affecting all the Christians. Not just one. But you're not concerned with that.

That is not true. People gather at many different places considered essential. Church is not considered one of them.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Not allowing believers to meet is affecting all the Christians. Not just one. But you're not concerned with that.
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You think you're the only ones being effected by this? Over 3 million Americans applied for unemployment. We're all in this together, we are all making sacrifices. Except for Christians who think they don't have to follow the law like everyone else.
 
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