lukethethird
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I can't take my religion seriously and I have no interest in what God thinks or doesn't think, He's a big fat waste of time IMHO.
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You don't have to share your thoughts if you don't want. Its not a requirement.
I simply think its interesting hearing other peoples opinions about these things. No different than I would ask questions about morality.
Last I checked there were a lot of non Christians here as well, like Buddhists which many are also atheists, so should they stop posting as well? or what about the Muslims?
Besides that shouldn't you be grateful for us atheists to be here, as it makes it easier for you? Didn't Jesus say to spread the word to the rest of the world? Paul to the gentiles etc. etc.
That's a rather primitive interpretation of my post.So is up to ourselves alone to not be excessively opportunistic? Is it also up to ourselves alone to punish oneself for misdeeds?
Even then.even when traditional medicine might be suppressed or hidden because not profitable?
I don't mean primitive as moral judgment exactly, more like an observation. But any reasonably well educated modern person knows a lot more than they did about a huge range of things. That includes God.When you say primitive are you referring to people of old as Ancients or are you referring to them as Barbarians and Savages compare to you? Sometimes without clear intent behind words I am not sure how to respond so i asked.
What you are saying makes no sense.The Buddhists and etc. did NOT write as you did, "I DON'T CARE." Either you do care and are seeking attention like a child or you don't care and don't therefore belong at RF.
NO, I'm not grateful that hundreds of spiritually interested seekers who read RF discreetly are put off from posting or asking anything because of skeptics who are absolute jerks to them and everyone religious, consistently.
I DO spread the Word, but (biblically speaking) it's wasted on you, or is it? I hope not!
If we assume that whatever God one believe in is true and have created everything.
Why should we care about what that God think, so from a human or personal point of view, why would you care about what your God thinks?
The reason I ask this is, because what do one gain from it or what do one try to achieve by it. Because if its about hope of living forever, could one not argue that. The reason people care, is out of fear rather than good?
Also as an atheist myself, I obviously do not care about a God, yet I consider my self a rather decent human being, meaning I don't intentional try to hurt others etc. So if its about doing or being a good human being, that is perfectly possible as a non believer.
So again, think it could be interesting to hear why religious people care about what their God think?
Sure, I didn't mean what a God think about fidget spinners or yoyos etc. even though that would be interesting to know as well"What God thinks" is a v-e-r-y broad question.
About popcorn, fidget spinners, the "Cats" movie.... What?
Could you be more specific?
Based on my own past experiences as a Christian, I think people care cuz it gives their life meaning and purpose. I think some people cannot accept or stomach straightforward/direct reality actually playing out as is.If we assume that whatever God one believe in is true and have created everything.
Why should we care about what that God think, so from a human or personal point of view, why would you care about what your God thinks?
The reason I ask this is, because what do one gain from it or what do one try to achieve by it. Because if its about hope of living forever, could one not argue that. The reason people care, is out of fear rather than good?
Also as an atheist myself, I obviously do not care about a God, yet I consider my self a rather decent human being, meaning I don't intentional try to hurt others etc. So if its about doing or being a good human being, that is perfectly possible as a non believer.
So again, think it could be interesting to hear why religious people care about what their God think?
Sure, I didn't mean what a God think about fidget spinners or yoyos etc. even though that would be interesting to know as well
No, but looking at the major religions they have rules set by God that he want one to follow. To just use an example of like accepting Jesus as ones savior and through him one can be saved. That you have people that believe that abortions is wrong, due to scriptures etc.
So lots of these religions have rules or guidelines depending on ones belief, so my question were basically if one believe in such rules as having been giving to us by a God.
Then why would one actually care about following them? Which is why I added the afterlife question and if it were about that or maybe because they are afraid of hell, if one believe in that?
The reason is that a lot of people do not share a persons believe and therefore do not intentionally follow the rules they do, like me for instant being an atheist, I don't go around killing people, which is not because I follow the Christian idea that killing is wrong. But because I my self think it is wrong.
A good example might actually be abortion. Based on how I reason or what to say, I have come to the conclusion that I do not see anything wrong abortions. Whereas a person of faith my be against it, because of how they understand their scriptures, which ultimately must be coming from God or it would make no sense to follow them due that.
So why follow what a God say, if its not about the afterlife or fear of hell or whatever it might be and if there are no fears as such, why not follow a rational process rather than just what some scriptures say, don't know if that makes more sense?
If there is no God, aka no outside objective source of moral behavior telling you that harming others is bad, then all you have are animal instincts/biology making you reluctant to harm. You have no real REASON to be kind unless it serves your purposes.Also as an atheist myself, I obviously do not care about a God, yet I consider my self a rather decent human being, meaning I don't intentional try to hurt others etc. So if its about doing or being a good human being, that is perfectly possible as a non believer.
____________________________________________If we assume that whatever God one believe in is true and have created everything.
Why should we care about what that God think, so from a human or personal point of view, why would you care about what your God thinks?
The reason I ask this is, because what do one gain from it or what do one try to achieve by it. Because if its about hope of living forever, could one not argue that. The reason people care, is out of fear rather than good?
Also as an atheist myself, I obviously do not care about a God, yet I consider my self a rather decent human being, meaning I don't intentional try to hurt others etc. So if its about doing or being a good human being, that is perfectly possible as a non believer.
So again, think it could be interesting to hear why religious people care about what their God think?
I respect that as I have actually been very close to dying two times my self. Once when I was little (around 5-6 I think) and I ate an ice cube and decided to run while eating it. So it got stuck in my throat so I couldn't breath and were unable to clear it. It just happen to occur directly outside the house of where a doctor lived in them street where I grew up. And he ran out and lifted me from the ground in my legs and slammed me on the back so it came out. If he had not been there, Im not sure I would have made it.For myself however, I had an experience with "dying" when just a child. Which resulted in having a spiritual experience before being returned to life. And God has been with me ever since, and so has the spiritual gifts he gave me.
But it does serve my purposes. Being unkind adds to my sufferingIf there is no God, aka no outside objective source of moral behavior telling you that harming others is bad, then all you have are animal instincts/biology making you reluctant to harm. You have no real REASON to be kind unless it serves your purposes.
i would agree with that.If there is no God, aka no outside objective source of moral behavior telling you that harming others is bad, then all you have are animal instincts/biology making you reluctant to harm. You have no real REASON to be kind unless it serves your purposes.
But that's just biology. If someone has a different biological makeup, you have no objective grounds to lord it over them and force your morality upon them.But it does serve my purposes. Being unkind adds to my suffering
No I dont. But society assumes the right to enforce its preferences as far as the laws of the society allow.But that's just biology. If someone has a different biological makeup, you have no objective grounds to lord it over them and force your morality upon them.
I don't think we should expect to see that big a difference between those that believe in the ethnical monotheistic world view and those that believe in the relative world view. At least not yet. The history of homo sapiens is very very old, and ideas take a very long time to unfold.i would agree with that.
but also think that there are excellent evidence for that actually being the case, when we look around in the world, both today and the past and look at the things humans have done to each other. Both in and not in the the name of God or Gods.
Sure. But then you end up with societies like Nazi Germany, where what is "good" is killing off six million Jews, along with the handicapped, gypsies, JWs, homosexuals....No I dont. But society assumes the right to enforce its preferences as far as the laws of the society allow.
We have been throughout history. American slavery was legal. Japanese internment was legal. Native residential schools were legal. Forbidding natives from leaving their reserves was legal. Etc etcSure. But then you end up with societies like Nazi Germany, where what is "good" is killing off six million Jews, along with the handicaped, gypsies, JWs, the disabled....
Nuremburg becomes a farce, possible only because those with a different set of morals won the war. If Germany had won the war, their idea of "good" would have been victorious.
Can you live with that world view?
Trying to follow you here, so you would agree that little to no difference is observable between, lets say a convinced Christian and an atheist when it comes to moral standards?I don't think we should expect to see that big a difference between those that believe in the ethnical monotheistic world view and those that believe in the relative world view. At least not yet. The history of homo sapiens is very very old, and ideas take a very long time to unfold.
But all those things were still wrong, even thought they were legal. Why? Because they were wrong according to God. A society saying they are okay cannot overrule God. And those who follow God know this.We have been throughout history. American slavery was legal. Japanese internment was legal. Native residential schools were legal. Forbidding natives from leaving their reserves was legal. Etc etc