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Christianity Today “ Trump should be removed from office”

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why not try and be honest, just this once, and admit that since McConnell publicly, and proudly, declared that he has no intention of being a fair juror or running a fair procedure, that Pelosi has a very strong reason to hold out until she can gain some assurance of something that at least approaches fair?
All of a sudden there is this compassion for Trump to get a fair trial?

Or is 'fair' translated to the acquiescenice of time in order to scheme in secret on how it can be 'fixed' with more assurances to remove Trump.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
You'll see RW media try to discredit and demonize Rev Billy Graham's website on this. Then you'll see fake christians in America put Trump above Jesus.

There might be many Christians who still await for Jesus Christ to fulfill his promise of returning to Earth; whereas, Donald J. Trump has indeed lived up to the promises he has made to the many wealth creators now having become more prosperous than ever by Trump approved tax cuts and his execute orders to deregulate businesses.
And there you have it, @tytlyf ! @Salvador just put Trump above Jesus! (And I think even managed to imply that Jesus was a liar. :rolleyes:)
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
All of a sudden there is this compassion for Trump to get a fair trial?
So you think unfair trials should be part of the system?
Or is 'fair' translated to the acquiescenice of time in order to scheme in secret on how it can be 'fixed' with more assurances to remove Trump.
I use the word "fair" in the appropriate way -- and in the context of a trial in which the presumption of innocence prevails until evidence "proves" otherwise. And in order to be examined, evidence must at very minimum be produced.

It is certainly true that McConnell could summarily dismiss the entire proceeding and declare Trump "innocent." In fact, if he's really, really stupid, he just might. But that would never, ever stand. Americans (at least those not worshipping Trump's Holy Tush) do understand that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
All of a sudden there is this compassion for Trump to get a fair trial?

Or is 'fair' translated to the acquiescenice of time in order to scheme in secret on how it can be 'fixed' with more assurances to remove Trump.
What makes you think that there ever was a bias against him? The House activities were mainly investigation. The person being investigated very very rarely has a say in the investigation. That was not bias.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Trump said send it over now.

That's a great reason for not sending it. Keep feeding the orange until it explodes from rage.

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Apparently the Socialist Democrats are having reservations after all the big talk and chest thumping of their so called ironclad case.

There was an ironclad case against OJ also. You know that no Repub Senator is going to vote Yea.

So, Nancy just holds on to it to bug the Der Furer Wannabe and the Repubs. How is it you can't understand that?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There was an ironclad case against OJ also. You know that no Repub Senator is going to vote Yea.
At least the OJ jurors did not openly state that they would not have a fair review of the evidence. Think of what the reaction would be if someone accused of being a major mafioso was being tried and the prosecutor, which is what the head of the Republicans is in the Senate trial, said that he was giving the accused mafioso the trial that their client wanted:


“Everything I do during this, I’m coordinating with the White House counsel,” McConnell said. “There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this to the extent that we can.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...white-house-dictate-trumps-impeachment-trial/

So not only have many Republican Senators already stated that they will vote innocent no matter what, the Republican leader wants to hand over control of the trial to Trump's lackeys. Does anyone think that will give a fair result?

As long as the Democrats keep making the Republican position clear they will be the "winner" in this current situation.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Once again, my astonishment knows no bounds! Billy Graham's (who founded CT) son Franklin goes so far as to say that "there is a 'liberal' element" that is responsible. Many other so-called "Christian" conservatives are mouthing similar nonsense.

These same Christians are the very ones who are all over everybody else's "morality" as if it was the most important thing on earth. Yet, here is a man who was having sex with porn stars while his wife was having his child, and who baldly claims that he can get away with grabbing women's (a little play on words, here) "kitties." Who has told more verified lies than anybody in the history of American government. Who has mocked and vilified decent people in the most un-Christian way possible, even in the face of their grief and suffering.

I am almost willing to bet hard cash that there are a lot of these so-called "Christian" conservatives who, if Trump grabbed the "kitties" of their wives and daughters, would have that thing bronzed as an immortal keep-sake! :eek:

I do not know where the Americans that I grew up knowing have gone -- but in their absence, the world is a lot sorrier place.



Part of me says that they are just happy that a couple of anti-abortion Supremes got appointed, but their adoration goes far beyond just appreciation for that.

They have been awaiting the second coming since they could walk. Who's to say it isn't Der Magnificent Orange.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
All of a sudden there is this compassion for Trump to get a fair trial?

It has nothing to do with compassion. You really don't get it, do you?




Or is 'fair' translated to the acquiescenice of time in order to scheme in secret on how it can be 'fixed' with more assurances to remove Trump.


You are still showing your ignorance of the process. It takes a 2/3 majority of the Senate to convict. The Dems know they will never get a 2/3 majority. But if they can twist a few arms and get Bolton to testify publicly before the American people, that would be great. Or Guiliani. Can you imagine him running his mouth off under oath before the Senate and the entire Nation?

I don't hold out any real chance of the Dems allowing Bolton or Guili-Baby to testify. So, Nancy just holds up the process to keep everyone talking about it longer - ya know, people like Galli.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It has nothing to do with compassion. You really don't get it, do you?







You are still showing your ignorance of the process. It takes a 2/3 majority of the Senate to convict. The Dems know they will never get a 2/3 majority. But if they can twist a few arms and get Bolton to testify publicly before the American people, that would be great. Or Guiliani. Can you imagine him running his mouth off under oath before the Senate and the entire Nation?

I don't hold out any real chance of the Dems allowing Bolton or Guili-Baby to testify. So, Nancy just holds up the process to keep everyone talking about it longer - ya know, people like Galli.
So instead of due process, it becomes Pelosi's little plaything. Oh, I get it all right.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So instead of due process, it becomes Pelosi's little plaything. Oh, I get it all right.
You have it backwards again. It is the Republican Senators, Mitch McConnell especially that have promised that there would be no due process.

It seems that you do not realize that the House did both the investigation and the job of the grand jury. A grand jury does not usually allow the accused to rebut any arguments. That happens in a trial. The job of a grand jury is to see whether there is sufficient evidence for a trial. There was nothing wrong with the House proceedings.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
All of a sudden there is this compassion for Trump to get a fair trial?

Or is 'fair' translated to the acquiescenice of time in order to scheme in secret on how it can be 'fixed' with more assurances to remove Trump.

Absolutely Trump must get a fair trial... and clear his name if he can. That's why we have a constitution and Trump is not a king.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Your link title does not indicate that that was the claim of Lindsey Graham. He has been shown to be a complete hypocrite by his statements in the past and the present. He went after Clinton for a much lower crime and heavily advocated for his removal from office. Then when it came to Trump he originally had a very accurate assessment of the man. He essentially called him an idiot, unstable, and egomaniacal. Now Trump's behind is kissing sweet for the Grahamster. Once again, Mitch McConnell the leader of the Republican Senate said that there would not be fair trial. How is holding up the documents until a fair trial is agreed upon "extortion"?
 
Imo, Trump is crazy like a fox for whom most Americans should be very grateful to have as our nation's leader; nowadays, there's nearly unprecedented economic prosperity because of the Trump-led Trumped-up economy.
Read the definition of ”Trumped up”. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.

Definition of TRUMPED-UP

This, from the people who said Obamacare would ruin the economy and the unemployment numbers from the Labor Dept in 2016 were so low, they must be fabricated.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Conservative Evangelists as well as us right-wing populist American nationalists and everybody else in their right mind know Trump did his rightful Presidential duty of getting Ukraine to help us investigate if there'd been a kickback of some U.S. foreign aid from Ukraine to the son of Joe Biden, who was paid millions of dollars by the Ukrainian company, whose boss is widely suspected of embezzling millions of dollars from the Ukrainian government; this having been funded in small part by U.S. foreign aid.

You have all the details wrong.. Trump, Rick Perry, Giuliani and Giuliani's two Russian friends were trying to seize control of Naftogaz.

Ukraine Naftogaz CEO Preparing for Giuliani Probe ...
https://time.com/5737518/ukraine-naftogaz-ceo-preparing-giuliani-probe-testimony
Nov 22, 2019 · The CEO of Ukraine’s state gas company, Naftogaz, is ready to give evidence in a U.S. federal investigation that is reportedly probing the business dealings of …
 
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