Another Baptist minister bites the dust- gets caught

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God--the all-powerful, omni-benevolent creator of all--will only stop child molesters if they are Christian?

That's what I wanted to reply...you beat me to it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Are Christians the only child molesters?

God will deal with His own. They will not get away with it. As for the world's children, they are left to your bleeding hearts to turn loose and prey on others.

Good-Ole-Rebel

So God is NOT God of everybody? I thought omni-everything should be sort of inclusive, but apparently you have this "tribal" notion of your deity. Odd, that.

 

[PruePhillip]

Heretage Baptist church Pastor got caught with kiddie porn and charged.. I don't reust the church or any pastors anymore why doesn't this surprise me?

Any suggestions on how to keep out predators from being Pastors?
Arlington Pastor Brett Monroe Arrested, Charged With Possession Of Child Pornography

You don't trust pastors anymore.
The volume of Internet child porn went from about 23 million images in 2017 to 45 million
images in 2018. This has totally overwhelmed authorities. Pointing a finger at a church
where someone fell victim to this stuff isn't going to help the sexualization of our society -
in fact it's going to make it worse.
Sex used to be about love, commitment and children. Now it's transactional, recreational
and in-your-face political. I suggest that once all the churches have been burnt to the ground
and porn, kiddy porn, snuff porn, polygamy, pederasty, polyamory, gay love, gay boys etc are
totally mainstream then we are going to have a world hardly worth living in - particularly for
women and children.

And it won't surprise me at all.

 

[Riders]

You don't trust pastors anymore.
The volume of Internet child porn went from about 23 million images in 2017 to 45 million
images in 2018. This has totally overwhelmed authorities. Pointing a finger at a church
where someone fell victim to this stuff isn't going to help the sexualization of our society -
in fact it's going to make it worse.
Sex used to be about love, commitment and children. Now it's transactional, recreational
and in-your-face political. I suggest that once all the churches have been burnt to the ground
and porn, kiddy porn, snuff porn, polygamy, pederasty, polyamory, gay love, gay boys etc are
totally mainstream then we are going to have a world hardly worth living in - particularly for
women and children.

And it won't surprise me at all.

When did I say burn the churches to the ground?I am not pointing a finger at the church, here o late in the Southern Baptist church there has been an out pouring of folks in the churches saying there's been a history of sex abuse in the Baptist church.

Yes I do have issues with the church, however this was not meant to single out the Christian religion . I am more comfortable talking about the Christian church because I live in Tx, this particular church is actually close to me in Arlington Tx.

However many other religions including Hare Krishnas I understand and a few new cults like the NXVM cult have been also found to be sexually molesting children and many other religions as well I am sure.

I just had a Unitarian Universalist, what I thought was my brother my guy friend because we went to the same churches, try and scam me. So the religion doesn't matter its in every religion.

But I do harp on the Christian church sometimes, but as I said, the Christian church is whats in my community primarily, so it's a reference to my community not the Christian church itself. I mean we have like 5 Unitarian Universalist churches in Dallas and thousands of Christian churches.


Sense the topic of people Baptists themselves have brought complaints about the church recently, I really wanted to know too if anything had been done about it, apparently the SBC has a bunch of complaints about child molestation.

It was talked about all over the place when Catholics were having these same problems .

 

[Riders]

I said I don't trust churches or Pastors anymore but I also meant non Christian religions and really everyone. That's why I said in my journal I was going to start going to churches at old folks home. I wont listen to the sermon but I do service by greeting shaking hands and hugging the elderly, I trust the elderly, that's about it, and my library..

 

[Sand Dancer]

SHouldnt the Baptist church have to check the background and find out of there are any prior arrests before someone is hired?

Anyone who works with children should be checked. Many people go into these jobs to be near kids.

 

[PruePhillip]

Since God is man made he tends to have the traits of his believers.

Sure, just ask the Jews who have suffered since their exile from Israel two thousand years ago.

 

[PruePhillip]

When did I say burn the churches to the ground?I am not pointing a finger at the church,

It was talked about all over the place when Catholics were having these same problems .

It comes across as if you are attacking churches.
And churches are no more victim to sexualization as any
other institution. Look at schools, Scouts, Hollywood etc..

You will find in any institution that about 2-3% of it's
members are corrupt in some way. That goes for sexual
stuff too.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

So God is NOT God of everybody? I thought omni-everything should be sort of inclusive, but apparently you have this "tribal" notion of your deity. Odd, that.

He is God of everybody. He is not Father to everybody.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I don't believe in God, and have absolutely nothing on my conscience as a result. You probably don't believe me... as if it matters. It is none but the truth. I don't waste my time worrying about hypotheses for which those hypothesizing can't provide even a single shred of compelling, real-world evidence. What do you take me for? An idiot?

What is this even supposed to mean? Non-Christians don't get caught? Any figures to back up this statement? I have a sneaking suspicion you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Do you have any evidence that God had a hand in his detection and apprehension? Nevermind... you don't. Duh.

Get away with what? Not believing? Why... it is extremely easy to "get away with". Or are you talking about punishments that come after you're dead? Do you have any evidence that those exist? Oh wait... not again. You don't. Boy... you really like making claims without a shred of evidence. Seems foolish to me. Really foolish.

If your "answers" include The Bible (even tangentially) then yes, please spare us. Your advice would have to be stricken from the record as worthless. Once you have evidenced, real-world, rational arguments and methods, then you might have a leg to stand on in front of the public at large to propose something. Outside of that, you have nothing.

I'd be willing to bet you think this sounds bad-a$$ and intimidating, a real 1-2 punch for "The Lord." You're wrong, you know. It's terribly pathetic. Worth not much more than an eye-roll and a head-shake. On second thought... too much energy wasted in even that. Oops... how long have I been typing? Dang... time wasted yet again.

But I, as a Christian do believe in God, and the Bible as the Word of God. People such as yourself, such as the one who started this thread, always love to point out the sins and faults of Christians when they find them. As though our society is not permeated with such sins by those who are not Christian. As though they were so pure and sinless.

So, I respond as a Christian. God in the Bible has revealed the sins of His people. He doesn't sugar coat it. And just like I said, all will be accounted for. Yes, that is Bible. But, I am Christian. When the topic specifically involves Christian actions then you should expect it.

If you don't want to hear it, don't comment. The State is not the one who determines who is a pastor or not. They can throw that pastor in jail if he is guilty of a crime, but they don't appoint them.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Sex used to be about love, commitment and children. Now it's transactional, recreational
and in-your-face political.

Sex has always been those things.

...polyamory, gay love...

See?! Some of it is still about the love and commitment!

 

[Salvador]

I reckon we may need an eye-in-the sky in order to track what type of porn people see. Facial recognition technology and a porn user registry system might enable the government to deter anybody from accessing illegal unauthorized pornography.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

But I, as a Christian do believe in God, and the Bible as the Word of God. People such as yourself, such as the one who started this thread, always love to point out the sins and faults of Christians when they find them.

What can I say? Hypocrisy is a much more denigrated thing. If a man known to be a thief steals, it was expected. If a man professing to have THE ONE way to understand right from wrong under his belt (AKA, "God's Word") steals... well then, he's going to be taken to task now isn't he? We were already going to merely punish the thief... but the "upstanding believer?" He's going to hear it from all sides. This is to be expected. Though you seem to want to treat it as some kind of persecution.

As though our society is not permeated with such sins by those who are not Christian.

It may very well be - but when you throw hypocrisy in on top of it, it is certainly more noteworthy, as I just described.

As though they were so pure and sinless.

No, it isn't about this at all. It's about expectation. Christians berate the rest of the world ALL THE TIME (kind of like you are doing here), so when the world catches them doing something against their own code of conduct, OF COURSE it is going to be rubbed in your faces. Of course it is. We're going to take that stink and smear it all under your nose, mop it back up and do it again. I am 100% sure you don't like it... and that is 100% the point.

If you don't want to hear it, don't comment.

If I don't want to hear what? About The Bible? But don't you understand - I comment specifically because I want you to know that I don't want to hear it. My hope in this is that if you (or any Christian) gets told enough times that no one wants to hear it, then maybe they will stop bringing it to the table all the time as if it is relevant. The main point with all of this is that YOU DON'T KNOW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. You do not. NOT. This is why your indiscretions are rubbed in your face, this is why some people are going to roll their eyes when you start bringing up "Biblical principles." The ones who are really progressing are trying to figure it all out. People like you who think they already know it all because God told them are not adding anything to the conversation.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Are Christians the only child molesters?.

In the USA? Since Xianity is the majority? Pretty much, yeah. In other places? Not so much, as christianity is not the majority. Not ironically? Child molestation is also lower... coincidence?

God will deal with His own. .

Except that never happens in Real Life.

They will not get away with it. As for the world's children, they are left to your bleeding hearts to turn loose and prey on others..

How very "Christian" of you... not.

Jesus would be so proud.... Aryan Jesus, that is.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

He is God of everybody. He is not Father to everybody.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Nope. Proof? The 100% lack of any convincing evidence to a large and growing larger fraction of Humanity.

That says right there? This "god" is not the god of those people. This god doesn't even make an effort.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What can I say? Hypocrisy is a much more denigrated thing. If a man known to be a thief steals, it was expected. If a man professing to have THE ONE way to understand right from wrong under his belt (AKA, "God's Word") steals... well then, he's going to be taken to task now isn't he? We were already going to merely punish the thief... but the "upstanding believer?" He's going to hear it from all sides. This is to be expected. Though you seem to want to treat it as some kind of persecution.

It may very well be - but when you throw hypocrisy in on top of it, it is certainly more noteworthy, as I just described.

No, it isn't about this at all. It's about expectation. Christians berate the rest of the world ALL THE TIME (kind of like you are doing here), so when the world catches them doing something against their own code of conduct, OF COURSE it is going to be rubbed in your faces. Of course it is. We're going to take that stink and smear it all under your nose, mop it back up and do it again. I am 100% sure you don't like it... and that is 100% the point.

If I don't want to hear what? About The Bible? But don't you understand - I comment specifically because I want you to know that I don't want to hear it. My hope in this is that if you (or any Christian) gets told enough times that no one wants to hear it, then maybe they will stop bringing it to the table all the time as if it is relevant. The main point with all of this is that YOU DON'T KNOW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. You do not. NOT. This is why your indiscretions are rubbed in your face, this is why some people are going to roll their eyes when you start bringing up "Biblical principles." The ones who are really progressing are trying to figure it all out. People like you who think they already know it all because God told them are not adding anything to the conversation.

Brilliant!

 

[QuestioningMind]

Heretage Baptist church Pastor got caught with kiddie porn and charged.. I don't reust the church or any pastors anymore why doesn't this surprise me?

Any suggestions on how to keep out predators from being Pastors?
Arlington Pastor Brett Monroe Arrested, Charged With Possession Of Child Pornography

All churches should initiate a policy is which no preacher is ever allowed to interact with children unless another adult is present.

 

[Riders]

But I, as a Christian do believe in God, and the Bible as the Word of God. People such as yourself, such as the one who started this thread, always love to point out the sins and faults of Christians when they find them. As though our society is not permeated with such sins by those who are not Christian. As though they were so pure and sinless.

So, I respond as a Christian. God in the Bible has revealed the sins of His people. He doesn't sugar coat it. And just like I said, all will be accounted for. Yes, that is Bible. But, I am Christian. When the topic specifically involves Christian actions then you should expect it.

If you don't want to hear it, don't comment. The State is not the one who determines who is a pastor or not. They can throw that pastor in jail if he is guilty of a crime, but they don't appoint them.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Apparently you read nothing I said.
You said People such as yourself, such as the one who started this thread, always love to point out the sins and faults of Christians when they find them."

No I have not had a thread pointing out any sins of any Christians , Here of late i have spoken about my Unitarian Universalist friend who tried to scam me. I have spoken about men mostly who have tried to hurt me on the net. I have put up a lot in my journals of late. I put up alot in politics too. I have not been sitting around pointing at christians your paranoid.

I also live in the Bible belt, its mostly Christian here, so when I point to Christians its Christians in my community such as this pastor.

 

[Riders]

But I, as a Christian do believe in God, and the Bible as the Word of God. People such as yourself, such as the one who started this thread, always love to point out the sins and faults of Christians when they find them. As though our society is not permeated with such sins by those who are not Christian. As though they were so pure and sinless.

So, I respond as a Christian. God in the Bible has revealed the sins of His people. He doesn't sugar coat it. And just like I said, all will be accounted for. Yes, that is Bible. But, I am Christian. When the topic specifically involves Christian actions then you should expect it.

If you don't want to hear it, don't comment. The State is not the one who determines who is a pastor or not. They can throw that pastor in jail if he is guilty of a crime, but they don't appoint them.

Good-Ole-Rebel

If I were trying to call out how bad christians are I would not posted Christian music in my journals, Ive done that too but you don't read that.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

What can I say? Hypocrisy is a much more denigrated thing. If a man known to be a thief steals, it was expected. If a man professing to have THE ONE way to understand right from wrong under his belt (AKA, "God's Word") steals... well then, he's going to be taken to task now isn't he? We were already going to merely punish the thief... but the "upstanding believer?" He's going to hear it from all sides. This is to be expected. Though you seem to want to treat it as some kind of persecution.

It may very well be - but when you throw hypocrisy in on top of it, it is certainly more noteworthy, as I just described.

No, it isn't about this at all. It's about expectation. Christians berate the rest of the world ALL THE TIME (kind of like you are doing here), so when the world catches them doing something against their own code of conduct, OF COURSE it is going to be rubbed in your faces. Of course it is. We're going to take that stink and smear it all under your nose, mop it back up and do it again. I am 100% sure you don't like it... and that is 100% the point.

If I don't want to hear what? About The Bible? But don't you understand - I comment specifically because I want you to know that I don't want to hear it. My hope in this is that if you (or any Christian) gets told enough times that no one wants to hear it, then maybe they will stop bringing it to the table all the time as if it is relevant. The main point with all of this is that YOU DON'T KNOW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. You do not. NOT. This is why your indiscretions are rubbed in your face, this is why some people are going to roll their eyes when you start bringing up "Biblical principles." The ones who are really progressing are trying to figure it all out. People like you who think they already know it all because God told them are not adding anything to the conversation.

So, you're saying those who are not Christian are expected to steal. Are expected to commit crimes. Interesting.

The Christian does profess to know the 'One Way'. So? The Christian also recognizes that he is a sinner.

Hypocrisy can be found anywhere. Where does the Christian say he is not a sinner?

No, I am not berating you because you are a sinner. I am berating you and others here for singling out the sin of the Christian as though the rest of society was not guilty of the same. And, we don't have a 'code of conduct'. Thus your so called 'rubbing it in our face' and taking the 'stink and smear it all under our nose, mop it back up and do it again' is just your hatred of the Christian revealed. You haven't done any harm to the Christian. You just reveal your bias and hatred against God and the Christian.

You need to pay attention to the subject of the thread. If you don't want to hear it, then don't comment on this thread. This thread directly involved the Christian. The Christian acknowledges that others know the difference between right and wrong...conscience. The Christian acknowledges that conscience is the result of the fall of Adam to all of mankind. Thus you are wrong at the very start. What now?

The Christian believes what God has said in the Bible. We do not discount the sins of believers. So what are you upset about? It can't be the sins of believers for that is never denied.

Perhaps it is because our sins are paid for...forgiven....hummh? I have thought on this before and have come to the conclusion that this is what unbelievers..atheists...agnostics....whatever you want to call yourself's, really hate. The Christian's sins are taken care of by God.

Good-Ole-Rebel