Are Creationists the Great Pretenders?

[dad]

Are you saying that Jesus is not God and God is not Jesus?





The mental gymnastics you go through are really amazing.

"Setting up a plan for the salvation of man"? Really? By KILLING them?

All His other plans didn't work out too well, did they? He already killed most people by drowning them.

Jesus never killed anyone, or taught us to. Focus. Mohamed may have. Folks in days of old may have. Jesus was about love and healing and forgiveness. He revealed the character of God.

 

[ecco]

Jesus never killed anyone, or taught us to. Focus. Mohamed may have. He revealed the character of God.

Is Jesus not God?

If He is then...

Numbers 31

1And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,

2Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shall you be gathered unto your people.

3And Moses spoke unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.

4Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall you send to the war.

5So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

6And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.

7And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.​

 

[Astrophile]

Jesus never killed anyone, or taught us to. Focus. Mohamed may have. Folks in days of old may have. Jesus was about love and healing and forgiveness. He revealed the character of God.

Luke 19:27.

 

[dad]

Is Jesus not God?

Yes. His nature was revealed when He came down here. WE know exactly what He is like. His commandments were to try and save people with the gospel, and forgive and love etc.

There is no instance where Jesus killed anyone, or told us to do so, of course. In fact knowing what He is really like helps us to comprehend the OT also.

 

[dad]

Luke 19:27.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

This refers to the time when His angels will help in the judgment to come. Nothing to do with us now at all. Yes, there is coming a time when the terrorists and murderers of Christians will be judged. The wicked will be no more on this world. Evermore. Thankfully. Meanwhile, rather than kill the wicked we believers were instructed by Jesus to forgive and love and try to get you saved before the inevitable judgment. It is not an open ended offer, it has a time limit.

 

[tas8831]

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

This refers to the time when His angels will help in the judgment to come. Nothing to do with us now at all. Yes, there is coming a time when the terrorists and murderers of Christians will be judged. The wicked will be no more on this world. Evermore. Thankfully. Meanwhile, rather than kill the wicked we believers were instructed by Jesus to forgive and love and try to get you saved before the inevitable judgment. It is not an open ended offer, it has a time limit.

Do you agree with these:

"Analysis of DNA" shows very little similarity, in the actual genes


"But if there is no genetic proof of descendancy, it is mere speculation to suggest it happened. How? What mechanism overcame the high genetic walls? It cannot happen, it did not happen, & it will not happen, with what we know of genetic science. Unless a force or mechanism can be defined & demonstrated, the leaps between genome pairs & genetic parameters is impossible. It is a myth based on children's drawings trying to indoctrinate naturalistic origins."

"The haplogroup is all the haplotypes together."

"Also, to clarify terms, 'haplotype' is the specific clade or branch in this tree, like dogs, coyotes, etc."

"Because you can put together a graphical 'tree', showing plausibility of descent, does not provide evidence for descent. The conjectured graphic does not prove itself."

 

[ecco]

ecco:
Is Jesus not God?

Yes. His nature was revealed when He came down here. WE know exactly what He is like. His commandments were to try and save people with the gospel, and forgive and love etc.

If Jesus is God and God is Jesus then they are one and the same. Ant commands from God are commands from Jesus.

There is no instance where Jesus killed anyone, or told us to do so, of course. In fact knowing what He is really like helps us to comprehend the OT also.

I, and others have quoted versus of God/Jesus commanding death.

If nothing else, The Flood executed by God/Jesus/God.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[dad]

Do you agree with these:

"Analysis of DNA" shows very little similarity, in the actual genes


"But if there is no genetic proof of descendancy, it is mere speculation to suggest it happened. How? What mechanism overcame the high genetic walls? It cannot happen, it did not happen, & it will not happen, with what we know of genetic science. Unless a force or mechanism can be defined & demonstrated, the leaps between genome pairs & genetic parameters is impossible. It is a myth based on children's drawings trying to indoctrinate naturalistic origins."

"The haplogroup is all the haplotypes together."

"Also, to clarify terms, 'haplotype' is the specific clade or branch in this tree, like dogs, coyotes, etc."

"Because you can put together a graphical 'tree', showing plausibility of descent, does not provide evidence for descent. The conjectured graphic does not prove itself."

Perhaps we could assign birth relation in cases where we know that to be the case. That would not include the far past.

 

[dad]

ecco:
Is Jesus not God?



If Jesus is God and God is Jesus then they are one and the same. Ant commands from God are commands from Jesus.


I, and others have quoted versus of God/Jesus commanding death.

If nothing else, The Flood executed by God/Jesus/God.

You can't have it both ways.

The Angel told the parents what to name Jesus. Try quoting the actual man. This is not a thread to discuss advanced theology with unbelievers.

 

[Bear Wild]

The Angel told the parents what to name Jesus. Try quoting the actual man. This is not a thread to discuss advanced theology with unbelievers.

Do angels have wings, arms, and legs?

 

[dad]

Do angels have wings, arms, and legs?

They could as desired. They could also be disguised.

 

[Bear Wild]

They could as desired. They could also be disguised.

I guess you are right. Since they are imaginary they can do what they want. Just curious about that type of anatomy. That's what must be nice about the bible. You can claim what ever you want without any evidence because it is all imaginary. Thanks for the response

 

[tas8831]

Perhaps we could assign birth relation in cases where we know that to be the case. That would not include the far past.

Why endorse ignorance and superstition?

The means by which DNA can be used to assess ancestor-descendant relationships have been validated using known lineages. There is, literally, no scientific or rational reason to declare that these methods stop working at some arbitrary point in time because some internet creationist with no science background says so.

This is why nobody takes you seriously. In your zeal to prop up your ancient superstitions and numerology, you concoct nonsensical escapes that only make sense to you. But to educated, rational people, it is just childish nonsense.

 

[dad]

I guess you are right. Since they are imaginary they can do what they want.

So you checked out the spiritual aspects of the universe through all history and can report that there are no angels. OK. Good work.

Just curious about that type of anatomy. That's what must be nice about the bible. You can claim what ever you want without any evidence because it is all imaginary. Thanks for the response

The evidence is that most people through history seem to have believed in spirit beings, and the bible confirms them, both good and bad ones. Imagine what you like.

 

[dad]

Why endorse ignorance and superstition?

My point exactly, why pretend that the only way adapting could happen was via birth in the former nature when we don't know?

The means by which DNA can be used to assess ancestor-descendant relationships have been validated using known lineages.

Of course it can as long as we are talking about this nature. You assume that this nature was always here. No. We do not know what DNA exactly was like pre present nature. You can't trace back more than that.

There is, literally, no scientific or rational reason to declare that these methods stop working at some arbitrary point in time because some internet creationist with no science background says so.

In other words, fishbowl science of this world and this nature deals with nothing else and has never seen anything else and believes this is all there must have ever been. Not for reason of science, but for the reason that science is of this nature only.

This is why nobody takes you seriously. In your zeal to prop up your ancient superstitions and numerology, you concoct nonsensical escapes that only make sense to you. But to educated, rational people, it is just childish nonsense.

Pagan kool aid drinkers and denizens of the fishbowl of only the present nature are simply in no position to know. They spent years and years studying a reality that turned out to be delusional fantasy dreams. The issue is not how much they imbibed and memorized and studied, but what it was they were ingesting.

 

[Bear Wild]

So you checked out the spiritual aspects of the universe through all history and can report that there are no angels. OK. Good work.


The evidence is that most people through history seem to have believed in spirit beings, and the bible confirms them, both good and bad ones. Imagine what you like.

The bible does not confirm anything other than a very loose history with stories to address moral issues for it followers. At least you respect that there are no angels and that is a start. And I am not the one imagining things.

 

[ecco]

I, and others have quoted versus of God/Jesus commanding death.

If nothing else, The Flood executed by God/Jesus/God.

You can't have it both ways.

The Angel told the parents what to name Jesus. Try quoting the actual man. This is not a thread to discuss advanced theology with unbelievers.

What advanced theology? Basics.

Basic Claim: You claim Jesus never commanded any killings.
Basic Claim: You claim Jesus is God.
Basic Theology: Bible states God unleashed The Great Flood that killed almost all humans.

Don't try ducking and dodging by making off-topic comments like: "The Angel told the parents what to name Jesus. Try quoting the actual man".



Bottom line: Your Jesus/God/Jesus/God is responsible for massive deaths.

 

[dad]

The bible does not confirm anything other than a very loose history with stories to address moral issues for it followers. At least you respect that there are no angels and that is a start. And I am not the one imagining things.

? Plenty of angels in the bible from cover to cover. The bible is not about morals it is about Jesus.

 

[dad]

What advanced theology? Basics.

Basic Claim: You claim Jesus never commanded any killings.
Basic Claim: You claim Jesus is God.
Basic Theology: Bible states God unleashed The Great Flood that killed almost all humans.

Don't try ducking and dodging by making off-topic comments like: "The Angel told the parents what to name Jesus. Try quoting the actual man".



Bottom line: Your Jesus/God/Jesus/God is responsible for massive deaths.

Basics..Jesus lived on earth. Focus on that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Basics..Jesus lived on earth. Focus on that.

There probably was a man named Jesus. You need to prove the rest.