Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

[SalixIncendium]

We have numerous religious textual references, and ideas to backup the idea of who is the Messiah; yet as we see with Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, some people will go against it through a lack of study...

So is it ever really possible to actually prove it for sure using careful exegesis or are people to argumentative to really listen?

In my opinion.

The first way one could prove to me that one might be the Messiah would be to stop trying to convince people that s/he is the Messiah.

If one was really the Messiah, I would think s/he would gain followers through his/her actions, not by saying, "I'm am the Messiah! Follow me and listen to what I say!!"

Of course, a miracle or two along with a divine healing would help convince me as well. But then again, those are actions, not words.

 

[firedragon]

The first way one could prove to me that one might be the Messiah would be to stop trying to convince people that s/he is the Messiah.

If one was really the Messiah, I would think s/he would gain followers through his/her actions, not by saying, "I'm am the Messiah! Follow me and listen to what I say!!"

Of course, a miracle or two along with a divine healing would help convince me as well.

You have misunderstood the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The Messiah doesn't do miracles.

Also, there were many people who claimed to be the Messiah during the time of Jesus. And anyone who does is killed by the Romans.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You have misunderstood the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The Messiah doesn't do miracles.

Also, there were many people who claimed to be the Messiah during the time of Jesus. And anyone who does is killed by the Romans.

You missed my point entirely. As I see it, a true Messiah wouldn't claim to be the Messiah. They would just do.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The Messiah has certain criteria to fulfil in the texts, these didn't, and could not bring world peace, so they were therefore not the Messiah.

The Messiah has to bring the Age of Godliness promised, and since the Source of our reality told me this is happening by Force after the Great Tribulation at 15 years old, before reading the texts, this fits with global eschatology.

In my opinion.

I do not want to sound like i attack your view, i respect your view, but i get so many questions when reading your answers.

Example of questions that arise is: Did you see the source who spoke to you? was it a physical person who told you?

 

[wizanda]

So tell me, was Jesus (or whatever you want to call him,) directly descended from Ling David?

He was a reincarnation of David.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

You missed my point entirely. As I see it, a true Messiah wouldn't claim to be the Messiah. They would just do.

Alright. Maybe. But thats your concept of the Messiah. Everyone has their own concept. You have just made yours.

 

[sooda]

You are talking about one of two prophecies. Why not mention the other?
The Messiah must first come as Redeemer and then as King.

The bible says Israel will reject her Messiah. But those who embrace his humility and accept his "blood
covenant" will reign with Him when He returns.


Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! See, your King comes to you,
righteous and victorious, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. And I will cut off the chariot
from Ephraim and the horse from Jerusalem, and the bow of war will be broken. Then He will proclaim peace to
the nations; His dominion will extend from sea to sea, and from the Euphrates to the ends of the earth

Zechariah 12:9
On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will
look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly
for him as one grieves for a firstborn son

Isaiah 63:16

For You are our Father, though Abraham does not know us And Israel does not recognize us You, O LORD, are our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Your name.

Isaiah 54:5

"For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.

Israel is the firstborn of God..

Exodus 4: 22

“Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the LORD, “Israel is My son, My first-born.

Jubilee Bible 2000 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, The LORD hath said thus: Israel is my son, even my firstborn.

 

[sooda]

He was a reincarnation of David.

In my opinion.

There is NO reincarnation.

 

[shmogie]

We don't know for sure he said or did anything of the kind, what is reported in the Bible isn't any sort of evidence.

Really ? How did you determine that ? Do you believe Alexander the Great existed and took his army all the way to India ? If so, did you know the number of original source documents about him are tiny compared to those for Christ ?

Why are the accounts of Christ not any source or evidence ? Can you even explain what acceptable evidence is as defined by law , the standard I use to determine evidentiary value ( the most precise ) ?

What you are really saying is you don´t believe it, therefore it fails in evidentiary value, though you don´t know how to determine what evidence is.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Alright. Maybe. But thats your concept of the Messiah. Everyone has their own concept. You have just made yours.

In order for one to prove s/he is the Messiah, isn't each person's concept of the Messiah relevant?

After all, this thread asks if it is possible to prove the one is the Messiah.

 

[wizanda]

a true Messiah wouldn't claim to be the Messiah. They would just do.

The Messiah brings the Fire to remove all the ungodly from this reality; which means all the Adharmic religious people who reject all the things of God unknowingly, because of their racists, and bigoted dispositions.

A Messiah who spends time to talk with people before they're deleted is much kinder.

In my opinion.

 

[SalixIncendium]

There is NO reincarnation.

Your opinion, of course, unless you are withholding some monumental evidence.

 

[wizanda]

But Ezekiel was also Son of man.

A Son of Man is anyone born of Adam, a human being.

Contextually tho we're told that the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshua), was put into a human body in Isaiah 52:10-14.

In my opinion.

 

[SalixIncendium]

The Messiah brings the Fire to remove all the ungodly from this reality; which means all the Adharmic religious people who reject all the things of God unknowingly, because of their racists, and bigoted dispositions.

A Messiah who spends time to talk with people before they're deleted is much kinder.

In my opinion.

And how does claiming to be the Messiah accomplish this?

 

[firedragon]

A Son of Man is anyone born of Adam, a human being.

Contextually tho we're told that the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshua), was put into a human body in Isaiah 52:10-14.

In my opinion.

That means Jesus calling himself doesn't mean anything special or divine right?

 

[shmogie]

The messianic prophecies are in the Torah and hence the Old Testament, compiled hundreds of years before Jesus hit the scene and are still open for completion


The bible is a legal book??? Wow

And i am not bothering with your filler fluff

So tell me, was Jesus (or whatever you want to call him,) directly descended from Ling David?

If you meant King David, and not a Chinese Jew, the answer is yes.


Evidence is a legal concept, clearly defined, and precise. If you view evidence as just your opinion, then it has no real value.

¨ filler fluff¨ means ¨ I can´t answer your question ¨

 

[firedragon]

In order for one to prove s/he is the Messiah, isn't each person's concept of the Messiah relevant?

After all, this thread asks if it is possible to prove the one is the Messiah.

You are right. I am only making the point that "the messiah will not claim to be" is your concept, "the messiah will claim to be" is someone else's concept. These are all personal opinions.

 

[sooda]

Your opinion, of course, unless you are withholding some monumental evidence.

Can you prove reincarnation?

The messiah was supposed to be an anointed warrior king LIKE David who would vanquish Israel's enemies. Jesus doesn't fit the prophecy.

 

[sooda]

A Son of Man is anyone born of Adam, a human being.

Contextually tho we're told that the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshua), was put into a human body in Isaiah 52:10-14.

In my opinion.

Isaiah is about Israel, the servant of God.. Its not about Jesus. Read Isaiah 52:10-14.. It says SERVANT

 

[leov]

We have numerous religious textual references, and ideas to backup the idea of who is the Messiah; yet as we see with Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, some people will go against it through a lack of study...

So is it ever really possible to actually prove it for sure using careful exegesis or are people to argumentative to really listen?

In my opinion.

Messiah comes with enlightenment, individually. Christ within.