leov
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Absolutely, e.g. OT was for Jews, for example.
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Religious Borrowing and then Theft
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Terry Sampson
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Oy, Luv: I don't expect to persuade anyone, but ... your complaint echoes Paul's in Galations 2:14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?"
It still is. It's not 'old' news for any of the Jewish people. It's for all time.
leov
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f"a Jewish by birth person has dropped his religion and become a Christian, he's no business play-pretending to be an orthodox Jew. If he wanted that before he could have had it in spades, with real orthodox Judaism. He should just be honest with himself. "
What would be acceptable to an orthodox Jew?
Being an actual orthodox Jew.
It is valid to try and learn from other cultures (and beliefs), but what you describe is a somewhat different thing. For reasons that I understand to somewhat vary, there are indeed many Christians that want to be acknowledged as either Jewish or in some sense natural inheritors of Jewish or Judaic traditions.
That, of course, comes directly from the unconfortable relationship that exists between the two traditions. Judaism tends not to want to be saddled with Christian expectations, but Christianity nonetheless defines itself to a considerable extent in relation to Judaism - and the exact consequences are not really very pacified.
I don't think that there is any true solution that does not involve the acceptance that some Christians are misrepresenting and abusing the good will and patience of Judaic traditions and therefore there is a need to tell them to stop.
leov
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Yes and no...that is why the Temple is gone.
No, the Temple is gone because the Romans destroyed it. The messiah will be there for the building of the third temple. See the book of Ezekiel.
And I will form a covenant of peace for them, an everlasting covenant shall be with them; and I will establish them and I will multiply them, and I will place My Sanctuary in their midst forever.
And My dwelling place shall be over them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me as a people.
And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, Who sanctifies Israel, when My Sanctuary is in their midst forever.
leov
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Jesus teaching is about Hosea 6:6, "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, "
leov
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It is gone because there is no need in sacrifices any longer.
Yes, this has a context; sacrifices are useless without real intent behind them. G-d does not want meaningless sacrifices without real repentence. If he didn't desire sacrifices, why would he spend page after page describing how to offer them? Why would the messianic age include the third temple?
You obviously didn't read the quote. It says the temple (sanctuary) will be established forever.
leov
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What Kabbalah say about this?
leov
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Not physically, but in human consciousness.
I don't know; I'm not Jewish, I'm forbidden from learning the Kabbalah. In any case, I'm not sure it matters; what matters here is what G-d himself is saying about this in the text.
I guess Ezekiel just gave us a huge description of the third temple because he wanted to waste everyone's time?
leov
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Christian Gnosticism has every few arguments with Kabbalah.
shmogie
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If, however, he recognizes Christ as the Messiah, a core tenant of orthodox Judaism, then why isn´t he still a Jew ?
Christianity was founded by Jews, who taught that it was part of Judaism, the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. Because this is rejected today by mainstream Judaism as it was then, don´t these Jews have the right to practice their acceptance of this as they choose ?
Terry Sampson
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I'd share my thoughts in a private or public one-on-one conversation, but not in this thread. Interested?
leov
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Some are trying to reconstruct ET vehicle from his writings...