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Trump is insane

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We have had some operations that went according to plan. At least overall. Historically, the Normandy invasion may be the best example of that, but yeah, history doesn't offer many examples of wars that were by the book and followed predicted outcomes to the letter.

I think there are other barriers to any presidential aspirations I may harbor, but I will ad pragmatist (or is it realist) to the list.
The Normandy invasion was a single battle though.
I speak of an entire war. Who predicted that WW2
would've proceeded as it did?
At least we won it.
Wars since have gone poorly.
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
The Normandy invasion was a single battle though.
I speak of an entire war. Who predicted that WW2
would've proceeded as it did?
At least we won it.
Wars since have gone poorly.
That is what I mean. The best we have are single examples of operations within wars.

And glad that we did win it too.

They do seem kind of confused about goals, outcomes and exits.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Death comes to all.

The 1 truth nobody can deny.

So you want recognition for that genius quip ?

Our mortality means that being a nihilist warmonger is fine, or setting the Amazon on fire, or any other kind of atrocity should be met with a shrug ?

If you really believed that you wouldn’t care to have an opinion about anything, or any kind of political affiliation.

Unless you were a narcissist who will take any issue and make it a game for their own amusement.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is what I mean. The best we have are single examples of operations within wars.

And glad that we did win it too.

They do seem kind of confused about goals, outcomes and exits.
The problem with wars is that there are so many battles.
Decisions to start one shouldn't be based upon imagining
how few & successful they'd be.
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
The problem with wars is that there are so many battles.
Decisions to start one shouldn't be based upon imagining
how few & successful they'd be.
I am not sure I follow you on that last statement.

My personal position is that we should always be prepared to fight a war, but it is best to win them by avoiding them.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I cannot find any reason to be optimistic about a war with Iran. Look how much our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have cost and that was against enemies that were either undermanned with inexperienced soldiers, having limited advanced weapons or subsisting on primitive technologies.
It'll all be over by Christmas! They'll welcome as liberators! [/tribal neocon]
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am not sure I follow you on that last statement.

My personal position is that we should always be prepared to fight a war, but it is best to win them by avoiding them.
Hawks often tell me about how Iran will be defeated in a single
battle...a campaign of bombs & missiles with no grunts carrying guns.
They assume that the enemy has no effective air defense & no
countermeasures.

Btw, golden retrievers are gold supremacists.
 
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Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
Hawks often tell me about how Iran will be defeated in a single
battle...a campaign of bombs & missiles with no grunts carrying guns.
They assume that the enemy has no effective air defense & no
countermeasures.
I was thinking about how the nature of our defense has changed over time. Now it is fought much like video games. But the need for men on the ground is going to be a constant in any confrontation, even now.

I used to think that way myself. At least about some enemies of the US. But we keep getting into battles with people that are supposed to be easy targets and it just goes on and on and on until we lose the will to continue.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
I was thinking about how the nature of our defense has changed over time. Now it is fought much like video games. But the need for men on the ground is going to be a constant in any confrontation, even now.

I used to think that way myself. At least about some enemies of the US. But we keep getting into battles with people that are supposed to be easy targets and it just goes on and on and on until we lose the will to continue.

That is good news for arms manufacturers.
Which is good for the, err their, economy.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
It's important to learn from history.

True dat.

Please provide examples of that happening in recent US history.

(I’m not trying to be mean, I just couldn’t help it. Anyway, can you say something to lift me out of this terminal depression ? I’m counting on you Rev. Make it something reassuring)
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Still, an unsourced claim is a tenuous basis for going all "He's insane!".
One might call it meta-insanity.
I see that it's totally critical to always use the exactly accurate word to describe someone.

So to be precise, I was not accusing him of having a mental condition defined in "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" since "insanity" can be a legal term and is not a medical one.

And I'm certainly not accusing him of having a condition that would permit an insanity defense in a court of law.

I am using the word in the dictionary sense as noted in this list of synonyms: folly, foolishness, foolhardiness, idiocy, stupidity, imbecility, asininity, lunacy, madness, silliness, senselessness, brainlessness, thoughtlessness, irrationality, illogicality, absurdity, ludicrousness, ridiculousness;

So to use synonyms, Trump's idea was: foolish, silly, absurd and ridiculous.

NOW is it clear?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Hawks often tell me about how Iran will be defeated in a single
battle...a campaign of bombs & missiles with no grunts carrying guns.
They assume that the enemy has no effective air defense & no
countermeasures.
We happen to agree on this point.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
True dat.

Please provide examples of that happening in recent US history.

(I’m not trying to be mean, I just couldn’t help it. Anyway, can you say something to lift me out of this terminal depression ? I’m counting on you Rev. Make it something reassuring)
Examples of politicians learning from history?
I have none.
Or examples of poorly run wars?
Iraq
Afghanistan
Vietnam
Korea
Cold war with USSR
 
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