Nearly 30 arrested for mass shooting threats in weeks after El Paso, Dayton

[Audie]

One of my past co-workers carried a pistol to work everyday. And yep he has all the proper permits and everything.

For some people all I got to say is God help us if we're in a real serious War and they actually got to learn how do fire gawd, a gun! Shudder, panic..... Post-traumatic stress disorder at the mere sight of a gun. Boy we got a nation of wussies now.

Years ago the guys got me to shoot an AR15 and an AK47

Took their time with unloaded safe rifle, showed me all how
it works, and gave me ear protection, good lessons

Ok here goes!

Bang bang...it is nothing! Well, it was fun, but, not
so dramatic as I somehow thought.
I am like five ft tall and 93 lbs.

So when I heard some sorry wimp on NPR saying he
got PTSD from firing an AR? Good, freaking, grief.

 

[Revoltingest]

So when I heard some sorry wimp on NPR saying he
got PTSD from firing an AR? Good, freaking, grief.

Apparently it's now fashionable to be emotionally fragile.
Schools might have to teach manliness to the challenged, eh.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One of my past co-workers carried a pistol to work everyday. And yep he has all the proper permits and everything.

Like in an office? I assume he didn't have to fend off coyotes as part of his job, right?

For some people all I got to say is God help us if we're in a real serious War and they actually got to learn how do fire gawd, a gun! Shudder, panic..... Post-traumatic stress disorder at the mere sight of a gun.

Fun fact: they train soldiers these days. They've been doing it for a while now.

Boy we got a nation of wussies now.

I see more cowardice in someone who is so afraid of what he'll face in the world that he feels he needs to be ready to kill other people at a moment's notice than I do in someone who has confidence enough to face the world unarmed.

 

[Audie]

Like in an office? I assume he didn't have to fend off coyotes as part of his job, right?


Fun fact: they train soldiers these days. They've been doing it for a while now.


I see more cowardice in someone who is so afraid of what he'll face in the world that he feels he needs to be ready to kill other people at a moment's notice than I do in someone who has confidence enough to face the world unarmed.

Your snide tone and hyperbole are really rather unbecoming
and withal, indicative of a weak position.

It is not cowardly of me, BTW, to recognize that I am not
a big macho man who can physically defend himself against
creeps who want to force themselves on me!

 

[We Never Know]

Which mental health illnesses would disallow someone from owning a gun. I've suffered from bipolar disorder so does that mean I can never own a gun?

The majority of people who have suffered from bipolar disorder are not violent.

But your simple statement based upon nothing you have presented would state that I could never own a gun.

Do you even have the basic sense of what you are talking about or are you perpetuating a stereotype?

Just asking.

I stand with what I stated, "any mental disorder". That's my opinion whether you like it or not.

 

[We Never Know]

True.

I cannot help wondering, though, if people bent on
mass murder might not bet ingenious enough to
find ways to be even more deadly, if deprived of
guns.

Timothy McVeigh in 1995 never used a gun in OKC(Oklahoma City) and killed 168.

 

[We Never Know]

No, it's a "people with guns" problem.

I know many people with guns that haven't killed anyone.

 

[We Never Know]

Copying my post (#9), eh.

As I said, I know many people with guns. They haven't shot anyone.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I know many people with guns that haven't killed anyone.

So?

 

[We Never Know]

So?

U.S. population= 327 million
Guns owned by civilians=383 million.
Guns clearly out number people.

1983 to present there have been 114 mass shootings
Mass Shootings in the US: See 37 Years in One Chart | Time

114 mass shootings/383 million guns= 0.0000297% of guns used for mass shootings.

If 200 million civilians own guns(it may be higher/lower)...
114 mass shootings/200 million guns owners= 0.000057% of gun owners use guns for mass shootings.

It's a people problem, not a gun problem.

 

[Howard Is]

I agree. We should have stricter and more thorough gun laws. I've said that for a while.
Anyone that has ever been treated for a mental illness(meds, etc) shouldn't be able to own a gun.

Perhaps all doctors, and maybe police and magistrates, should be required to report clients who are displaying behaviours which make gun ownership a public danger. There are plenty of unstable people who have not been officially labelled as such, and there are people who know who they are.

 

[Howard Is]

True.

I cannot help wondering, though, if people bent on
mass murder might not bet ingenious enough to
find ways to be even more deadly, if deprived of
guns.

In that case, we need to understand why so many Americans are bent on mass murder.

RobertAnton Wilson said, back in the 70s or 80s, that with the education and technology available today, we really can’t afford to have any very unhappy citizens. One jar of neurotoxin, one dirty bomb, one genetically engineered virus...these are things which one sufficiently educated and motivated individual can do.

Still, having millions of guns in a country addicted to TV and movies which constantly depict gun violence, often in a heroic way, seems to me to be what the Dutch call ‘tying the cat to the bacon’.

The problem is not just guns, and not just an escalation of mental illness, it is the combination of the two. The root causes of the escalation of mental illness need to be understood, or we are just urinating in a hurricane.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

U.S. population= 327 million
Guns owned by civilians=383 million.
Guns clearly out number people.

1983 to present there have been 114 mass shootings
Mass Shootings in the US: See 37 Years in One Chart | Time

114 mass shootings/383 million guns= 0.0000297% of guns used for mass shootings.

If 200 million civilians own guns(it may be higher/lower)...
114 mass shootings/200 million guns owners= 0.000057% of gun owners use guns for mass shootings.

It's a people problem, not a gun problem.

You know who commits mass shootings even less?

People with no guns at all.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Perhaps all doctors, and maybe police and magistrates, should be required to report clients who are displaying behaviours which make gun ownership a public danger.

Indeed. For instance, one red flag could be when a person attempts to obtain guns that are especially suited for mass shootings, like semi-automatics and firearms that have - or are capable of accepting - large-capacity magazines.

 

[We Never Know]

You know who commits mass shootings even less?

People with no guns at all.

Look at the title of the thread,
"Nearly 30 arrested for mass shooting threats in weeks after El Paso, Dayton".

It's a people problem.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Look at the title of the thread,
"Nearly 30 arrested for mass shooting threats in weeks after El Paso, Dayton".

It's a people problem.

How many of those 30 people had no access to firearms? Think hard.

 

[We Never Know]

How many of those 30 people had no access to firearms? Think hard.

I have no clue. Do you? It's never been released whether they did or not.

The point is 30 people made threats, not 30 guns. It's a people problem.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have no clue. Do you? It's never been released whether they did or not.

The article in the OP explicitly mentions guns seized in several of the cases.

The point is 30 people made threats, not 30 guns. It's a people problem.

... combined with a gun problem.

Only a person with a gun can carry out a mass shooting.

 

[We Never Know]

The article in the OP explicitly mentions guns seized in several of the cases.


... combined with a gun problem.

Only a person with a gun can carry out a mass shooting.

You asked me how many. It doesn't say how many.

A gun isn't deadly without people. People are deadly without guns.

It's a people problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

As I said, I know many people with guns. They haven't shot anyone.

Some people I know have shot humans.
But in self defense or war....justifiable.