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was jesus a pantheist
when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?
No.was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?
John 14:10
or
Luke 17:21
No
No, that's Monism/Monotheism.
evidently jesus and the bible doesn't limit god to being just present in everything but everything being present in god.I don't think so, strictly speaking. There's a nuance of theological difference between all things being a manifestation of God (pantheism) and God being present within all things (Xtian mysticism). I believe the latter. I believe God is present within all things. I think what Jesus is stressing here is the unity of creation.
That's not how I read either of those two passages.evidently jesus and the bible doesn't limit god to being just present in everything but everything being present in god.
Isaiah 45:5
and
John 14:2
That's not how I read either of those two passages.
That's not how I read either of those two passages.
was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?
John 14:10
or
Luke 17:21
I don't think so, strictly speaking. There's a nuance of theological difference between all things being a manifestation of God (pantheism) and God being present within all things (Xtian mysticism). I believe the latter. I believe God is present within all things. I think what Jesus is stressing here is the unity of creation.
Yeah, but not even this is pantheism -- at least not as I understand it. Pantheism is the thought that the things themselves are gods -- trees, oceans, stars. I suppose the first two sentences of the second example night be pantheistic, but then it makes a marked transition to panentheism. Which is the Xtian idea of the "Sacramental Universe." In panentheism, all things do emanate from God, and God is present in all things. But all things are not God -- that is, not to be worshiped. It's a subtle and sometimes clouded differentiation.Acts 17:28 ?????
7). Indeed, the daily prayers of the Jew, from "Adon 'Olam" to the "Shir ha-Yiḥud" of Samuel b. Kalonymus, show a wide range of thought, here of rationalistic and there of mystic character, combining in a singular manner transcendentalism and immanence or pantheism as in no other faith.
OR
The foundation-stone of Ḥasidism as laid by Besh is a strongly marked pantheistic conception of God. He declared the whole universe, mind and matter, to be a manifestation of the Divine Being; that this manifestation is not an emanation from God, as is the conception of the Cabala, for nothing can be separated from God: all things are rather forms in which He reveals Himself. When man speaks, said Besht, he should remember that his speech is an element of life, and that life itself is a manifestation of God.
See, all being one in Christ is different than all things being Christ. As I said, it's a subtle and not always crystal clear demarcation. God's presence can be in a tree, but the tree is not, itself, God.or how about
colossians 3:11
This notion of division between "who's in" and "who's out" is an outdated, imperial notion and, frankly, power play that I believe was foisted on the early church by the Empire. It's time for that notion to be laid aside. It no longer serves either the household of Christ or the world. In fact, it runs afoul of the whole point of Matthew's Gospel. Sheep? Goats? Wheat? Weeds? Details! Never mind the perceived differences. Let God work that out in God's time.I believe there is no doubt that God is everywhere but as the ruling Spirit inside He is only in the Elect.
Yeah, good point.then why
John 1:3
and
John 14:20
Good way of explaining that idea.See, all being one in Christ is different than all things being Christ. As I said, it's a subtle and not always crystal clear demarcation. God's presence can be in a tree, but the tree is not, itself, God.
was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?
John 14:10
or
Luke 17:21