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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. Fool

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    god is not above anything if god is everywhere and to be exalted in the earth.


    Psalm 46:10


    this is why you were told to pray thy kingdom come......................god is understood and manifested through self.


    if I AM that i am, then god is all things seen and unseen.


    Colossians 1:16
     
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    god is exclusively nothing because god is inclusively everything.


    this is why idolatry to a thing is forbidden. to idolize a thing self has assigned god a place vs otherwise and god is not this vs that. god is this, that, everything and no thing in particular.
     
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    behold i make all things new, fashion never goes out of style. it just gets rebranded.
     
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    Unless God is, of course.
     
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    Precisely why a God is both transcendent and imminent.
     
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    The world was made from, through, to and for Jesus

    The creation is separate from the creator
     
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    no, they aren't synonyms. transcendence is a state of duality; where something is above something; which means something below is not connected to it. it creates a state of duality. monism doesn't advocate a state of duality.


    jesus couldn't be one with the father if god is transcendent
     
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    it never says jesus wasn't begotten. nor does jesus ever claim to be his own father.
     
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    No, distance doesn't necessarily denote disconnection. The center of the galaxy is far away from earth. That doesn't mean the earth is disconnected from it.
     
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    Jesus is also described as the one who holds all things together.

    I do not believe Jesus is either pantheist or pantheist and 'the creation was subjected to futility' in Romans as it was pulled down with man's sin until redemption is fulfilled for it at his return then it also is set free (in Romans 8)

    In that context Jesus is quite distinct from the creation.
     
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    The bible doesn't place Jesus within creation. The historic creeds insist that he is "begotten, not created."
     
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    thats just my point. the universe doesn't transcend any of it's being. you claim god does.
     
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    unfortunately that is again a bunch of men trying to redefine the meaning of begotten; which is literally a synonym of created. the unbegotten begotten is the father. it isn't jesus. jesus isn't the father. jesus is the son.


    Synonyms of begotten | Thesaurus.com


    beget | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
     
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    That’s my point. The universe isn’t God.
     
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    It actually says 'begotten god'.

    The KJV just didn't use that as their translation source, or chose the other version.

    The binitarian god belief pre'exists christianity, which is why I have a binitarian God belief, even without the New Testament.
     
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    Nicene creed might go against my beliefs, in other words. Both arguments can be made from the NT.
     
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    I have the 'same religious beliefs', and 'same God', without the New Testament, in other words.

    The new testament is supplement text to my religion.
     
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    then god is divided and there is some other. duality


    god's kingdom will never be exalted in the earth

    Psalm 46:10
    Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

    nor will god's kingdom come be established in the earth

    Rev 21:1-Rev 21:3 KJV And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

    you have assigned god it's place as otherwise, elsewhere.

    you are definitely panentheistic
     
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    so your god is divided against itself, or dualistic. dualism


    that which is divided against itself will fall.
     
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