Ho hum, another day, another mass shooting in the US.

[oldbadger]

That's a baseless accusation.

But glad to see you concede this foolish quest at last.

Well.... let's have a look at how much you help the movement for gun insurance, good training and psycho-evaluation before licences are issued.

Look at what you wrote earlier:-

..................... Haven't ever had to shoot anyone either thankfully. I have had to draw it once, but luckily the a-hole backed off before I blew a hole in him the size of a basketball. That crackhead made the wisest decision he had ever made up to that point.

So here we have a situation where you have got frightened about a stranger for no real reason. You were safe and protected by locks and toughened or laminated glass. See what you wrote after this:-

I drew my weapon and place it on the dash of my car, so the crackhead could see it, to scare him away, and behold it worked with no violence issued..

And here you have decided that this man, who was outside and away from your vehicle, was a drug-addict. For all you know he was a stroke victim and wanted help, possibly?

But in any event, you got frightened enough to draw a gun that can blast a grapefruit size hole in a person and displayed it. This seems typical modern example of more primitive Male Conflict Displays. Your gestures and body language would have been a delight for a psycho-analyst to have viewed, I expect.

And so, in a similar way to that idiot who grabbed up a gun and went outside, resulting in unnecessary death, you would have failed a psycho-eval multiple-choice test for sure.

Like this:- Correct the details where they're wrong, please....
Your sitting in your vehicle when you notice a white male of average build, --yrs, appearing to be unsteady on his feet and moving towards youtr vehicle, waving his arm,s and calling out words that you cannot hear. You feel frightened that he may hurt you somehow. Would you:-

1. Draw your gun which could blow a big hole in him and display it.

2. Sit still and quietly and see if he will go away.

3. Call the police on your mobile phone.

4. Open your window and shout at him.

5. Get out of your vehicle and approach him with your gun pointing at him..

6. Drive your vehicle away.


Etc etc....... I wrote any old answers for you to choose from, but after proper training, what answer do you think a level headed balanced trainee would give?


You see? You're helping the 'Gun Controls' lobby quite a lot.

 

[Enoch07]

So here we have a situation where you have got frightened about a stranger for no real reason. You were safe and protected by locks and toughened or laminated glass. See what you wrote after this:-

Who said anything about frightened?

The crackhead was washing the window of my car with a dirty rag and left it more dirty than before he started.

Then proceeded to walk to the window with his hand out (expecting payment).

I told him to go eff himself. I didn't ask him to "wash" my window, and he didn't even do that, he made it dirtier.

At this point he slams his hands down on the hood of my car and starts cussing.

Again I told him to eff off and find someone else to bother.

That's when he started moving towards my door. So I drew the weapon in a flash, and placed it where he could see it.

He then threw his hands up "I don't want no trouble man" and ran off like a good lil crackhead should.

Problem solved, no violence.

And here you have decided that this man, who was outside and away from your vehicle, was a drug-addict. For all you know he was a stroke victim and wanted help, possibly?

Yes, crackheads are easy to spot.

But in any event, you got frightened

No pumpkin, I didn't get frightened. Bless your lil heart. I could have just exited the vehicle and rofl stomped him right then and there, but it was hot and I didn't want to leave the comfort of the A.C. in my car. They don't call it Hotlanta for no reason ya know.

And so, in a similar way to that idiot who grabbed up a gun and went outside, resulting in unnecessary death, you would have failed a psycho-eval multiple-choice test for sure.

You're talking out of your rump again.

Yet again having no idea or knowledge of the situation or what is involved.

You see? You're helping the 'Gun Controls' lobby quite a lot.

They can kiss my grits.

 

[oldbadger]

I have had to draw it once, but luckily the a-hole backed off before I blew a hole in him the size of a basketball.

I never said I pointed it at anyone......
...........I drew my weapon and place it on the dash of my car, so the crackhead could see it, to scare him away...............................

Who said anything about frightened? The crackhead was washing the window of my car with a dirty rag and left it more dirty than before he started. Then proceeded to walk to the window with his hand out (expecting payment). I told him to go eff himself. At this point he slams his hands down on the hood of my car and starts cussing. Again I told him to eff off .....................
No pumpkin, I didn't get frightened.
That's when he started moving towards my door. So I drew the weapon in a flash, and placed it where he could see it.
He then threw his hands up "I don't want no trouble man" and ran off like a good lil crackhead should.
Problem solved, no violence.
Yes, crackheads are easy to spot.

And so we learn more. About the incident and about you.
So let me get this absolutely clearly......
You were in a car queue and this man who was not begging but trying to do something useful for a little money, he washed your car windscreen. But you didn't like it and when he walked towards your window for a tip you insulted and swore filthy language at him. He thumped on your car, possibly because you were a very insulting and offensive person and so you swore maliciously at him again.
He then moved towards your door, (which is strange because he had already moved towards your window for payment ?) and so you pulled a gun out and displayed it. He went away.
Although you were not frightened or fearing for anybody's life or health you pulled a gun on somebody because it was more convenient than driving away, knowing it could blow a basketball size hole in their body.

Have I got that right? Or do you have any more clarity to add to your description?
In any conflict management assessment you would get a fail, that is if the course assessor had not already told you to leave the course, already failed during the course assessment.

The Pro-Gun-Controls folks could have a field day with that description.

 

[Left Coast]

Yes, I am well aware of faults within our criminal justice system. That is not what I asked. You cannot say things like you are less safe owning a gun, anymore than you can say things like you are more likely a criminal if you are black, or a rapist if you are male or not as apt at math if you are a woman. These are errors in logic.

*addition is mine.

This manner of thinking is problematic. Statistical truths do not apply to the individual.

I agree that statistical truths don't (always) apply to the individual. But public policy is not based on anecdote. It needs to be developed based on aggregate data.

 

[Left Coast]

Good then we needn't quibble over studies that show a statistically significant decrease, we instead can focus on the actual numbers regardless of whether the study found correlation or not.

Statistical significance remains relevant, but I'm happy to tall about the raw numbers as well.

The premise of the question did not assert that "unlimited access to firearms is a fundamental right." Now that this is cleared, i await your answer when you return.

My answer remains the same. You have continually asserted that virtually any gun control is the infringement of a fundamental right to self-defense. I don't accept that premise.

 

[Curious George]

My answer remains the same. You have continually asserted that virtually any gun control is the infringement of a fundamental right to self-defense. I don't accept that premise.

That is still not an answer. Let go of what you think I am asserting and field the question.

 

[Left Coast]

That is still not an answer. Let go of what you think I am asserting and field the question.

I believe I already said: If an intervention will save hundreds or thousands of lives, that's worth a lot to me. Obviously other factors are involved, such as the scale and scope of the intervention. You?

 

[Enoch07]

You were in a car queue and this man who was not begging but trying to do something useful for a little money, he washed your car windscreen.

Red light/traffic jam actually. Atlanta traffic is a nightmare sometimes.

But you didn't like it and when he walked towards your window for a tip you insulted and swore filthy language at him.

I didn't like the fact he expected me to enable his drug addiction.

He thumped on your car, possibly because you were a very insulting and offensive person and so you swore maliciously at him again.

Yes, addicts are like spoiled children. When you refuse to enable them they will throw a temper tantrum.

He then moved towards your door, (which is strange because he had already moved towards your window for payment ?) and so you pulled a gun out and displayed it. He went away.

My bad I should have been more specific. He moved towards my door handle*. As in he reached towards my door handle with his hand to open my door.

There fixed.

He went away.

Yes

Although you were not frightened or fearing for anybody's life or health you pulled a gun on somebody because it was more convenient than driving away, knowing it could blow a basketball size hole in their body.

1. Can't drive away in a traffic jam/red light. Cars in front, behind, to my left, and right, completely boxed in.

2. I never intended on using it. If I intended on using it I would have pointed it at him. The whole point was to intimidate him to make him leave, and it worked. Crackheads don't care about punches and kicks, they will respect a bullet though.

3. If he would have continued to try and open the door. I would have simply exited the vehicle, stomped a mud hole in his butt, then got back in the comfort of my A.C.

Have I got that right?

Mostly wrong as usual.

The Pro-Gun-Controls folks could have a field day with that description.

Again talking out of your rump. Every action performed is 100% legal and no violence occurred. Yet you assert this is a instance that proves gun-control measures need to be tightened. Which means you don't care about anything other than just banning guns, well so long as we don't go after the black market. That would upset the drug supply wouldn't it. Can't have that now can you?

 

[oldbadger]

Red light/traffic jam actually. Atlanta traffic is a nightmare sometimes.

I didn't like the fact he expected me to enable his drug addiction.

Yes, addicts are like spoiled children. When you refuse to enable them they will throw a temper tantrum.

My bad I should have been more specific. He moved towards my door handle*. As in he reached towards my door handle with his hand to open my door.

There fixed.

Yes

1. Can't drive away in a traffic jam/red light. Cars in front, behind, to my left, and right, completely boxed in.

2. I never intended on using it. If I intended on using it I would have pointed it at him. The whole point was to intimidate him to make him leave, and it worked. Crackheads don't care about punches and kicks, they will respect a bullet though.

3. If he would have continued to try and open the door. I would have simply exited the vehicle, stomped a mud hole in his butt, then got back in the comfort of my A.C.

Mostly wrong as usual.

Again talking out of your rump.

When you waffle, you give yourself away.
If you cannot see that you raised conflict rather than reduced it, then you'd definitely fail in any Conflict Management and Reduction initiative.
Such reviews should be a part of any psych-evaluation.

By the way...... would you promote your kind of treatment of such folks as the Christian way? Just askin'.......

................... you assert this is a instance that proves gun-control measures need to be tightened. Which means you don't care about anything other than just banning guns,................

Ha ha! You're sweet!
So you think that all folks who support better training and testing etc want to BAN ALL GUNS! ????
You're lovely....... you know, there are some gun nuts out there.

 

[Enoch07]

If you cannot see that you raised conflict rather than reduced it, then you'd definitely fail in any Conflict Management and Reduction initiative.

You mean a cowards class.

By the way...... would you promote your kind of treatment of such folks as the Christian way?

Yes sir, not enabling a drug addict is the Christian thing to do. The crackhead can thank me later.

So you think that all folks who support better training and testing etc want to BAN ALL GUNS! ????

Of course not. But someone who talks like you has no experience or knowledge of firearms or the proper techniques in the use of them. It's a clear sign. So yes according to what you've said here your a banner. You've offered no suggestions on how to stop illegal firearms. You've only spoken about limiting/banning citizens who legally own firearms.

Nice try at the facade though. Easily seen through though.

When you waffle, you give yourself away.

What waffle? I'm a pancake man.

 

[oldbadger]

You mean a cowards class.

So those who can reduce and control conflict are cowards?
There's something wrong, somewhere, imo.

...... not enabling a drug addict is the Christian thing to do. The crackhead can thank me later.

You insulted and sore foul language at a bloke who was trying to offer a service for tips
You abused him yet again.
And then you pulled a gun.

You claim that you would have got out of your vehicle and assaulted him causing injuries to him but it was not convenient.

And you call him a crack head.

And you think that's a Christian thing to do?

OMG

If I had to choose the crackpot in that scenario I don't think I would choose that screen washer

 

[Enoch07]

So those who can reduce and control conflict are cowards?

When it comes to a crackhead threatening you, yes.

You insulted and sore foul language at a bloke who was trying to offer a service for tips
You abused him yet again.
And then you pulled a gun.

You mean crackhead that was dirtying up my window to score a few bucks to get a hit. I love correcting folks.

You claim that you would have got out of your vehicle and assaulted him causing injuries to him but it was not convenient.

True, it as 95°F (35°C) with about 60% humidity so it felt like about 113°F (45°C).

It was a hot and sticky day (midday) no shade, stuck in traffic, everyone is in a foul mood. Not a time to be bulls******g around. Everyone that lives here knows you don't mess with people on days like that. You mind your own darn business and keep it moving. Cause someone likely to get a butt whooping.

And you call him a crack head.

First of all it's one word. Not 2.

Urban Dictionary: crackhead

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I am gonna call it a duck.

Yes, a crackhead.

And you think that's a Christian thing to do

Yes, I did him a favor.

You see by giving him money he would have bought crack. Then he would have smoked that crack, further enabling him to remain a low life forever.

By encouraging him to not ask me for money for crack. I have added time to his life and made him think twice, if even only for a few minutes. He can thank me later and will give him welcome!

If I had to choose the crackpot in that scenario I don't think I would choose that screen washer

Might want to have your moral compass checked. It might be broken.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Who said anything about frightened?

The crackhead was washing the window of my car with a dirty rag and left it more dirty than before he started.

Then proceeded to walk to the window with his hand out (expecting payment).

I told him to go eff himself. I didn't ask him to "wash" my window, and he didn't even do that, he made it dirtier.

At this point he slams his hands down on the hood of my car and starts cussing.

Again I told him to eff off and find someone else to bother.

That's when he started moving towards my door. So I drew the weapon in a flash, and placed it where he could see it.

He then threw his hands up "I don't want no trouble man" and ran off like a good lil crackhead should.

Problem solved, no violence.

This is textbook criminal assault. You not only should be disarmed, you should be in prison.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So those who can reduce and control conflict are cowards?
There's something wrong, somewhere, imo.


You insulted and sore foul language at a bloke who was trying to offer a service for tips
You abused him yet again.
And then you pulled a gun.

You claim that you would have got out of your vehicle and assaulted him causing injuries to him but it was not convenient.

And you call him a crack head.

And you think that's a Christian thing to do?

OMG

If I had to choose the crackpot in that scenario I don't think I would choose that screen washer

Typical selfish gun fetishist. Tells story of blatant, wildly inappropriate, criminal misuse of a firearm, then bleats about how important HIS "rights" are.

 

[Enoch07]

This is textbook criminal assault. You not only should be disarmed, you should be in prison.

Do tell? Care to show me where in the law this is considered assault? Rofl progressives are so sensitive.

 

[oldbadger]

When it comes to a crackhead threatening you, yes..

Pathetic.
Absolutely sad.


As a result of having an extremely high arrest rate of shop thieves over many years I ended up training store detectives and retail investigators for many retailers.

The more arrests you make per day/week so the higher the chances of meeting with severe conflict. It's simple maths.

So I understand what serious attacks are like, and how to cope best with them. But I've got to tell you, with your attitude you would never have passed initial interview stages; you would never have had the chance to take any introductory courses or field training. I met many minds and mouths like yours along the way, and I know what happened to them all. We never ever let them go to second interview.

In my opinion you are a perfect example of why closer management of guns is needed.

 

[oldbadger]

Typical selfish gun fetishist. Tells story of blatant, wildly inappropriate, criminal misuse of a firearm, then bleats about how important HIS "rights" are.

My God....... you read that stuff.
And the treatment of the bloke washing screens for coppers.
And the intentional escalation of what was almost certainly an easy situation in to a 'gun threatening episode'.

I can't get over it....... the concept of a person reducing conflict being branded a coward..... I've had this muck before, being called a coward after suggesting that it's better to chuck down a 'throw-away' wallet with a few notes in it that to have to be violent with a thief.

I used to have to arrest so many thieves, purse robbers and deceivers on a day to day basis. Back in the day security companies wouldn't sell body armour to private persons and so I made my own 'under-shirt' breast plate and a helm which looked like a woolly hat. I've still got the woolly hat in the roof void... I think I'll dig it out, dust it off, photograph it and stuff it on this thread. That helm saved me so many times over the years. I could never throw it away.

And these loud talkers think they've seen it hard........ but I sincerely believe that you have seen it hard.

 

[oldbadger]

@Kangaroo Feathers Just for fun, a kevlar helmet disguised as a woolly hat, and an old photo of my kevlar under-shirt breastplate. My wife took plaster moulds of my head and chest so that these were a perfect fit for myself, only. The club hammer shows that the hat is hard.


These items saved me a few times over the years.

 

[Enoch07]

In my opinion you are a perfect example of why closer management of guns is needed.

That's because your a gun ban person.

You are not interested in offering any practical solutions.

In your mind any gun should be an illegal gun. As proven by your baseless accusations.

Still not a single suggestion on how to slow/stop the criminals from obtaining weapons.

Anyways if your done with the childish ad hominem and personal attack I'll move on then.

I can't get over it....... the concept of a person reducing conflict being branded a coward.....

When dealing with a crackhead that is attacking you/your property. Yes

Crackheads don't respond to reason. They are either high or desperate for a hit. You seem to think a drug addict is a rational reasonable person. Just proof how out of touch with reality you are.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's because your a gun ban person.

You are not interested in offering any practical solutions.

The fact that heavy restrictions on firearms have been implemented successfully in many countries shows that it is a practical solution.