Notanumber
A Free Man
We Leavers have no problem with that when the outstanding one has been enacted.
We waited 40 years for the one that has yet to be implemented.
We have waited long enough.
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Boris Johnson - let's see how he and his government performs....
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We Leavers have no problem with that when the outstanding one has been enacted.
We waited 40 years for the one that has yet to be implemented.
We have waited long enough.
Notanumber
A Free Man
We are where we are regardless of who is to blame.
Would you be prepared to walk away from a bad deal regarding your property transaction as above?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
It has proved impossible to give people what the leave campaign promised them in 2016 (what a surprise!). There is certainly no democratic mandate for leaving with no deal.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Oh, and don't doubt that Brexit will be reversed if it happens: In January 2019 Britain will officially switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country, and this is how we know.
Notanumber
A Free Man
There certainly is when you are dealing with the EU bullies and their Remoaner quislings.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Your (rather silly) insults don't produce a democratic mandate. No-deal has never been put to the people.
Notanumber
A Free Man
I voted to leave the EU in a government-implemented referendum.
That government even forced a leaflet through everyone’s letterbox prior to that referendum as part of their project fear campaign.
Where did it say in that leaflet that we would be definitely leaving with a deal or we would not be leaving at all?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Can't address the material being discussed? Throw out an inflammatory distraction. What are you, new?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
More fool you, but regardless, the way Brexit was described in the leave campaign was not no deal, or even much like May's deal.
People only had the campaign to go on when they, very narrowly, voted to leave. If you'd have bought something from Amazon and the description was as unlike the reality as the campaign was, you'd be entitled to send it back and leave a disparaging review...
Notanumber
A Free Man
There was a by-election in Wales yesterday and all those that do not like the outcome should demand a re-run. According to Remoaner logic, that would be the sensible thing to do.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
- You've just totally ignored the point I made.
- Why? What's the difference between what was presented to them and what they now have?
- They will get to have re-run, at the next election, and if they don't like the way their new MP has turned out, they can vote for somebody else.
Notanumber
A Free Man
The party that won yesterday has a leader that has gone on record as saying that if there was another referendum and the result was the same it would still not be accepted.
The Left/Remoaners only accept democracy when they win.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
- That isn't something that has changed since the vote.
- I think she said that she, personally, would still vote against any attempt to implement it.
- She is one politician - not "The Left/Remoaners".
- The Brexiteers (and their right-wing, fanatically anti-EU cheerleaders in the press) only like democracy when it suits them - hence the attempts to smear anybody who suggests that the people might have changed their minds in the light of the totally different situation we have now compared with the promises of the leave campaign, as "undemocratic" or "enemies of the people". Why? Because they think they'd lose.
- Referenda are a totally stupid way of trying to decide complex policy issue like this, anyway.
Altfish
Veteran Member
What a good analogy!
When you are doing a property transaction you are selling a house to buy another. If it falls through you still have the house you are selling.
We have sold our house, if the one we are buying falls through, we are homeless.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Does that mean that you would be prepared to pay an exorbitant price to avoid being homeless or would you look for a better deal even if it means renting sort term?
Altfish
Veteran Member
No, you keep hold of the original house before until you have secured your deal on the new one.
Notanumber
A Free Man
The United Kingdom sold its house when it held the referendum and is now looking for a new one.
Should it pay whatever the seller demands or should it be prepared to walk away with no deal to get a better deal?
Altfish
Veteran Member
So we were never going to get a deal if our hand was seen by the other side.
Brexiteer liars took us down a tragic path
Notanumber
A Free Man
Remoaners are still trying to knife the United Kingdom in the back.
Altfish
Veteran Member
If you say so, speaking the truth before a referendum has consequences, when you lose you get blamed for being right.