In God We Trust’ signs going up at public schools all over South Dakota

[Revoltingest]

I agree. However christianity is the religion of America same as islam/muslim is the religion of say Afghanistan.

Christianity is very popular here.
But we have a secular constitution.
Afghanistan, however....
Constitution of Afghanistan - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
"The Constitution describes Islam as its sacred law and the most
commonly practiced faith throughout Afghanistan's vast country."

 

[Revoltingest]

Great. Post the scripture wherein God says his name is God.

I've never read it.
I go only by what Christians tell me.
It seems that even they cannot agree on what they believe.

As a convention of a proper noun.
And yes, that's standard in Christianity too. It is easier than to refer to Yahweh, of Adonai, etc.. when we all know what we're speaking about as in, the God of our faith.
Other faiths have a singular god as well.

I've heard heard preachers speak.
Never is it "a god" or "the god".
It's always "God", often followed by an exclamation point.
This has all the earmarks of a proper name.

The whole world isn't polytheist save for Jews, Christians and Muslims.

?

 

[SugarOcean]

If we examine the Constitution, it isn't based upon Christianity either.
Compare the Bill Of Rights with the 10 Commandments....some conflict.

That is incorrect.

“The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth.” George Mason
Read more: Was The American (US) Constitution Really Based on Biblical Principles?


"Christians and critics hotly debate how the Bible influenced the U.S. Constitution. Secularists argue that contrary to popular opinion, the Founding Fathers were "deists" at best and never intended any religious influence in matters of government. Many Christians counter that while there were certainly theological differences and variations in the level of Christian commitment between the men who framed the Constitution, the principles upon which it is founded reveal foundational assumptions of a Christian worldview, even though the document does not explicitly refer to God nor the Bible. A look at the words of the Constitutional Convention delegates themselves provides insight into how their thinking was influenced by the Bible and Christian principles when framing the laws of the new nation.


Founding Fathers' Worldview
The laws set forth in the U.S. Constitution did not emerge out of a moral vacuum unrelated to the writers' own beliefs, but rather are the product of the reasonings of those who created it. By their own words, the Founding Fathers were not neutral on the question of religion as the basis of government and society.

For example, in a letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, John Adams writes, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." "
More/Source: How Did the Bible Influence the U.S. Constitution? Tamara Christine Van Hooser - Updated May 10, 2019

 

[metis]

Good for them.

Just ignore the Constitution, I guess.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is incorrect.

“The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth.” George Mason
Read more: Was The American (US) Constitution Really Based on Biblical Principles?


"Christians and critics hotly debate how the Bible influenced the U.S. Constitution. Secularists argue that contrary to popular opinion, the Founding Fathers were "deists" at best and never intended any religious influence in matters of government. Many Christians counter that while there were certainly theological differences and variations in the level of Christian commitment between the men who framed the Constitution, the principles upon which it is founded reveal foundational assumptions of a Christian worldview, even though the document does not explicitly refer to God nor the Bible. A look at the words of the Constitutional Convention delegates themselves provides insight into how their thinking was influenced by the Bible and Christian principles when framing the laws of the new nation.


Founding Fathers' Worldview
The laws set forth in the U.S. Constitution did not emerge out of a moral vacuum unrelated to the writers' own beliefs, but rather are the product of the reasonings of those who created it. By their own words, the Founding Fathers were not neutral on the question of religion as the basis of government and society.

For example, in a letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, John Adams writes, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." "
More/Source: How Did the Bible Influence the U.S. Constitution? Tamara Christine Van Hooser - Updated May 10, 2019

There is no doubt some Christian influence.
But I'm correct about the conflict.
1st Amendment vs Commandments 2, 3, 4, & 5
Ten Commandments - Wikipedia

 

[Neutral Name]

I'm saying christianity has been part of America since it became America. Christianity in America is like apple pie and baseball.
I didn't say those people don't live here now. But since they do should we also fly their flags at the white house and etc?

Patriotism (flying the flag at the White House) has nothing to do with religion. Separation of church and state. If that isn't going to be observed, then EVERYONE should be in on the activities, all religions and even atheists. Not right for one religion to dominate others. Not Godly. Not American. Religious freedom means every religion, not just Christianity.

Or I have another idea. Let's put the God and prayers and all of that on Christian schools instead of public schools. Let's let everyone put their own religious stuff on their own religious schools and let the public schools be without. What do you think? That way, the Christians won't look like they are trying to control others which is not a Christian thing to do.

 

[Curious George]

You're not quite right, & must be thinking of criminal law.
With the IRS, one is guilty until proving oneself innocent.

You said "crime." Of course, i am thinking of criminal law.

 

[SugarOcean]

There is no doubt some Christian influence.

That's contrary to what you stated earlier: "If we examine the Constitution, it isn't based upon Christianity either....."

But I'm correct about the conflict.
1st Amendment vs Commandments 2, 3, 4, & 5
Ten Commandments - Wikipedia

You should read the articles.

 

[SugarOcean]

Just ignore the Constitution, I guess.

You're way late in coming into this discussion.

 

[SugarOcean]

Patriotism (flying the flag at the White House) has nothing to do with religion. Separation of church and state. If that isn't going to be observed, then EVERYONE should be in on the activities, all religions and even atheists. Not right for one religion to dominate others. Not Godly. Not American. Religious freedom means every religion.

Inflammatory falsehood to claim one religion in America dominates the other. The first amendment proves that claim false on its face. Bearing false witness isn't Godly.

But posting so as to draw conflict and hope to bring drama gains attention.

 

[metis]

You're way late in coming into this discussion.

"Better late than never", and I'm a firm believe in "Saving the best for last".

 

[SugarOcean]

"Better late than never", and I'm a firm believe in "Saving the best for last".

It isn't best when you're wrong and missed why early on.

 

[We Never Know]

Patriotism (flying the flag at the White House) has nothing to do with religion. Separation of church and state. If that isn't going to be observed, then EVERYONE should be in on the activities, all religions and even atheists. Not right for one religion to dominate others. Not Godly. Not American. Religious freedom means every religion.

I agree religious freedom means everyone. However I think it's a baseless argument to suggest putting up something islamic in place of something christian in America.

 

[Shad]

The USSC is predominantly Christian.
They obsess with imposing their faith upon the unwilling.
But the ranks of heathens grows.
Things change.

See what I've been doing?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I mock using the word "obsess" to denigrate those who disagree about an issue.

Sure. However SCOTUS denied to take up the case. They are holding to the lower court views of no. Wait for a change then try it again.

 

[Revoltingest]

You said "crime." Of course, i am thinking of criminal law.

The IRS has a great deal of power...they can take one's money
without a trial. A trial, of course, has the presumption of innocence.
But IRS actions have a lesser standard to meet.

 

[Shad]

I guess i don't understand what you mean. Care to elaborate?
Or are you saying since "in god we trust" has been on U.S. currency since around 1870's that poses a problem.

SCOTUS declined to take up a Motto, on the USD, challenge this year. It let the lower court ruling of "No" stand. The Motto on the currency is backed by a 95 law that has never been overturned. The activists will lose due to that, and other case precedents, as government can endorse the motto.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's contrary to what you stated earlier: "If we examine the Constitution, it isn't based upon Christianity either....."

There's no conflict.
"Basis" & "influence" are different.
But I have a solution....
One could say that the influence of Christianity if one of the bases of the Constitution.
Christians persecution Christians no doubt steered things in a secular direction.
But as I pointed out the 1st Amendment flies in the face of several of the 10 Commandments.

You should read the articles.

I appreciate the offer, but I'll pass.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure. However SCOTUS denied to take up the case. They are holding to the lower court views of no. Wait for a change then try it again.

I'm patient...having all the time in the world for change.

 

[Shad]

I'm patient...having all the time in the world for change.

Sure. That is all I was saying. The activists need to regroup and wait it out.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure. That is all I was saying. The activists need to regroup and wait it out.

We'll bide our time, & when we take over the motto might be...
In Darwin we trust
That'll stick in their craw, eh.