Thief
Rogue Theologian
well ok...note that I am rogue theologian
when I read scripture....it becomes lectio divina
someone tossed that noun at me in another thread
I had to look it up
guilty …..as charged
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What did Jesus Say? For Discussion not Debate.
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when I read scripture....it becomes lectio divina
someone tossed that noun at me in another thread
I had to look it up
guilty …..as charged
Thief
Rogue Theologian
My opinion: A stain is just on the surface. If there is any concern about sharing data in the public, feel free to send it via PM.
I was asking for book,chapter, and verse so that I could read the story myself, that's all
Well, it's a start, but there's more....
Matthew 22:36-39..."Love God" is first.
John 4:23-24
Luke 10:21
All show the importance of his Father.
So much more....
Thats great.
There are lifetimes of writngs that God has given us that we can read. Then lifetimes of writings that were inspired by those records we can also read.There is a book called the Hidden Words that is a great aid in jumping from mountain peak to mountain peak without entering the valley's. It is a total of 153 meditations and this book contains the essence of all past scriptures from God. Thus if one was to read these, then they contain the entire essence of the Bible, Quran, records of Krishna, Zoroaster, and Buddha to name a few.
Quite a few passages are directed at the religious teachers, like this one;
"O YE THAT ARE FOOLISH, YET HAVE A NAME TO BE WISE! Wherefore do ye wear the guise of shepherds, when inwardly ye have become wolves, intent upon My flock? Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition."
Thus it is your choice if you take the journey into this book that challenges our own self, we get to ask ourselves many hard questions about why we are here. This is the introduction;
"HE IS THE GLORY OF GLORIES
THIS is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of divine virtue."
This is the First Hidden Word from the Arabic, a most important consideration;
"O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting."
The Hidden Words | Bahá’í Reference Library
Regards Tony
Just fyi: i prefer to read source texts. but i appreciate your reply in the spirit that it was sent.Thats great.
There is a book called the Hidden Words that is a great aid in jumping from mountain peak to mountain peak without entering the valley's. It is a total of 153 meditations and this book contains the essence of all past scriptures from God. Thus if one was to read these, then they contain the entire essence of the Bible, Quran, records of Krishna, Zoroaster, and Buddha to name a few.
Quite a few passages are directed at the religious teachers, like this one;
"O YE THAT ARE FOOLISH, YET HAVE A NAME TO BE WISE! Wherefore do ye wear the guise of shepherds, when inwardly ye have become wolves, intent upon My flock? Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition."
Thus it is your choice if you take the journey into this book that challenges our own self, we get to ask ourselves many hard questions about why we are here. This is the introduction;
"HE IS THE GLORY OF GLORIES
THIS is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of divine virtue."
This is the First Hidden Word from the Arabic, a most important consideration;
"O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting."
The Hidden Words | Bahá’í Reference Library
Regards Tony
That is also great, that is your choice.
I consider what was offered, is from the source of our being, from the source of all source texts.
Thus I offer, the greatest challenge in our lives, are our own choices. God knows those choices before we make them and always puts in our path a way to obtain a different frame of reference.
Regards Tony
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One of the most important things Jesus said as the Christ was about knowledge of the Father;
Matthew 11:27 "My Father has given me everything, and he is the only one who knows the Son. The only one who truly knows the Father is the Son. But the Son wants to tell others about the Father, so they can know him too."
John 7:29"I know Him, because I am from Him, and He sent Me."
For a Baha'i, Baha'u'llah is "Christ", annointed by the Holy Spirit and came in the Station of the Father.
Thus if one wants to know what Jesus the Christ said, then one must hear what the Father (Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God) has said about Jesus the Christ.
John 17:25"O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;"
I wish all people well and happy.
Regards Tony
Matthew 11:27 "My Father has given me everything, and he is the only one who knows the Son. The only one who truly knows the Father is the Son. But the Son wants to tell others about the Father, so they can know him too."
John 7:29"I know Him, because I am from Him, and He sent Me."
For a Baha'i, Baha'u'llah is "Christ", annointed by the Holy Spirit and came in the Station of the Father.
Thus if one wants to know what Jesus the Christ said, then one must hear what the Father (Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God) has said about Jesus the Christ.
John 17:25"O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;"
I wish all people well and happy.
Regards Tony
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I figure that may be so. Because there are many Bibles on the internet free for reading.At this time he may not want to read a Bible.
Regards Tony
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Well I suppose we can continue to discuss why you will not look up a Bible on the internet. Yet claim you are ignorant. Have a nice day.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
I see a lot of similarity between the message of Jesus and the message of Siddhartha Gautama. It's difficult to say exactly since the words of Jesus have been run through many filters in order to set a specific message but some of his most famous words seem to tell a clear message such as the Sermon on the Mount.
It's an odd ( somewhat hostile? ) approach you've taken towards me in this thread?
This is how I perceive this thread, and many of the other threads here on this forum.
Imagine you're at a dinner party with your friends. And the conversation ebbs and flows, at some point someone tangentially mentions: "Well... I mean... All Jesus was saying was 'Be Nice', right?" And then a spin-off conversation starts up where people chime in with their take on what Jesus was taking about.
It's just a conversation among friends. That's all this thread is. I'm not sure why it matters that I don't own a bible, or that I haven't taken the initiative to read it for myself. We're just talking. That's all. OK?
@YoursTrue
It can be ok if ones intent is to know and understand the logic behind the question asked or any comment they add to the conversation.
I remember a conversation much like this quite a few years ago amongst family members at dinner. It was a conversation on spiritual aspects of life, someone mentioned Jesus and the Bible and one person said that they believe Christ was false and the Bible was false and had a lot of negativity to add about Christianity as a whole. The obvious question was then asked. Have you studied about Jesus and read the Bible. The answer was emphatic no and that they had no intention to do so.
Thus the conversation in this case had to close with a statement based in ignorance.
Thus with your question, what did Jesus say, it could end right there with a positive question that has a good feel about it, but what if it was the negative response raised, can we then agree the ignorance stance has becomes blameworthy?
Regards Tony
It makes sense to say something like: "Go read the book." If someone claims that Jesus is false and the Bible is false.
@YoursTrue , Did I make it seem like I was claiming Jesus was false and that the Bible is false? I'm asking honestly, because if I did, then that would explain your frustration with me.
The Anointed
Well-Known Member
Blu 2 wrote....... Ah, my friend, I confess that in my view, the central question is 'What's true in reality.'
The Anointed........ Well what do you reckon about that, because that is the very same view that I hold also.
Blu 2 wrote.......That question appears not to concern you greatly, though if it did, we could pursue this discussion.
The Anointed........Oh, but it does concern me greatly, so let us continue to pursue this discussion.
Blu 2 wrote....... I wish you well. Live long and prosper.
The Anointed....... But first I must thank you for your blessing of Prosperity and longevity, before we continue to pursue this discussion, which is “What did Jesus say.”
Carl Sagan in his old TV program, which I believe was called “The Cosmos,” speculated that a two dimensional being having length and breadth would experience his world as a one dimensional world. Having only length and breadth and no height, it would not be able to look down on any two dimensional object in its world and would only see a line which would appear to be the length of the object, irrelevant as to which direction it was seeing that object from. Unless the two dimensional being was lifted up by some unseen force, it would never know that the objects in its world had breadth as well as length.
When referring to the fourth dimension I am speaking of the Minkowskian notion of time as being the fourth dimension. As in the fact that we can move forward and backward, [0ne dimension] sideways, [Two dimensions] up and down [Three dimensions] and through time; [Four dimensions] and not that which is called 4- dimension Euclidean space.
We are four dimensional beings, who are able to mentally traverse time and yet we experience our world as a three dimensional world. We are four dimensional beings, who, in a state of deep meditation or hypnosis, are able to mentally descend into our inner most being where space and time are as one, and relive memories back to, and beyond our own birth, and there, we are able to merge with a living mind of our past [Who we once were] and experience the life and times of our living ancestor, in their own position in Space-time.
And while merged with a mind of our living ancestor, [Who we once were] our comatose body in the present will sometimes speak in the tongue of that ancient ancestor, which language is totally foreign to the comatose person in question, while the ancient ancestor in his own time, babbles incomprehensibly, sometimes speaking in a strange tongue, in the as yet unknown language of his future descendant, in his attempt to give form and terminology to the visions that he is receiving from the mind of his as yet unborn descendant of the future, which terminology to express such visions had not even developed in his point in time.
That person is seen as a prophet when speaking of a giant grasshopper that spits fire from its tail, with wings above its head that sound like the roaring of a mighty waterfall, in his attempt to describe a Black Hawk helicopter as seen in a vision while merged with the future mind.
I say this as an explanation as to how the man Jesus was able to speak the words of “THE SON OF MAN' the Most High in the creation. For just as mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, the Son of Man, is currently developing within the great pregnant androgynous body of EVE, who has become the body of Mankind.
The topic of this thread is; “What did Jesus say?” The Jesus being referred to, is obviously the biblical Jesus, of who The Lord said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put 'MY WORDS' in his mouth, and he and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed 'MY WORDS,' which he shall speak in 'MY NAME' I will punish, etc.
So the reality, according to the scriptures, is that the man Jesus only said, that which he was commanded to say by the Lord and savior of Mankind, who is the Son of Eve as revealed in Genesis, who is to be Born through great pain and tribulation, and who will bruise the head of the deceiver.
It was HE who mentally descended into his dead past and filled the Man Jesus with his Spirit, and my WORDS are spirit said the Lord through his servant Jesus.
John 3: 13; KJV, "And no man has ascended to heaven, but he that came down from heaven (Mentally) even the Son of Man, which 'IS' in heaven. The Son of Man which 'IS' in heaven, filled the man Jesus with his words.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So if you're lo
Don't be in a rush. But...no one can understand the Bible without help. And so I am glad you are reading it. In order to understand the new testament, it is necessary to know something about the writings before that, so it's good you're reading them.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I can't figure yet what you're claiming.
Well, that's good. Im trying not to claim anything. I want to keep an open mind.