Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

[The Reverend Bob]

I never called HIM an atheist and take your smart *** answers and pound sand with them.

No, I would rather pound you than sand with my smart *** answers

 

[loverofhumanity]

IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.

It is disobedience to religion which causes people to stoop lower than the animal. Religion only teaches good and for the betterment of mankind.

Religion teaches: : love thy neighbour as thyself, love thine enemies. Be peaceful, be kind, be trustworthy, be truthful, help the poor and oppressed, be just and fair, be compassionate, be merciful, be of good and upright character, be virtuous, be holy, be thoughtful and considerate, moderation in all things, be courteous and polite, be humble, be responsible, to keep ones promise, to be wise, gratitude, to serve humanity, to be tolerant and patient, to be detached, to be united with all, to be a friend to all humankind, to care for all, to help people, to forgive, to see all with a sin covering eye.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is disobedience to religion which causes people to stoop lower than the animal. Religion only teaches good and for the betterment of mankind.

That just reminded me of one of my favorite passages that I keep running across lately...
Many but not all people have lost sight of what the purpose of religion actually is...

“The Great Being saith: O ye children of men! The fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race, and to foster the spirit of love and fellowship amongst men. Suffer it not to become a source of dissension and discord, of hate and enmity. This is the straight Path, the fixed and immovable foundation. Whatsoever is raised on this foundation, the changes and chances of the world can never impair its strength, nor will the revolution of countless centuries undermine its structure.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 215

 

[Lionel Refson]

Given the force of what I have proposed here, I admit complete and utter defeat

 

[Jim]

Given the force of what I have proposed here, I admit complete and utter defeat

I wasn’t sure that you were serious, but I decided to treat it seriously anyway. Now I’m disappointed. Did you read my posts?

 

[Lionel Refson]

I wasn’t sure that you were serious, but I decided to treat it seriously anyway. Now I’m disappointed. Did you read my posts?

yes Jim I did. I am well aware of your faith and it is a peaceful loving one IMO a true path to God...BUT the danger we face now, with islamic extremism on one hand and the rise of christian fundamentalism on the other together with general intolerance, increasing antisemitism and Islamophobia, makes me very worried. I am also extremely, extremely upset that all this violence and hatred is being committed in the name of God, who only ever blessed us all to be fruitful and multiply. I am upset for those that are hurt and for God. I am also upset for those whose lives have been ruined by hateful doctrine that spreads fear and guilt
So I started a new thread,

 

[usfan]

Some flawed assumptions in this thread:

1. Abrahamic religions are all the same!
False. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are not the same. Islam is questionable to be called 'abrahamic', since it is merely an offshoot of the Judeo/Christian faith, with little to no ideological harmony. Muhammad was 600 years after Jesus, and thousands after Abraham. Their ideology and core beliefs are radically different. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham, and is opposed to Jesus.
2. Religion is the cause of all war, oppression, and evil in the world!
False. Man's inhumanity to man does not require theism. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and other atheists in the last century prove that. It must be shown, logically that an ideology promotes violence and oppression. Condemning an ideology by the actions of outliers is bigoted and unfair.
3. 'Something must be done! ..to end hate and evil.. let's kill them all!'
Fighting evil and oppression with evil and oppression is just more of the same. How is it any different? Proposing more humane ways of genocide?

The 'problems!' i see illuminated by this thread, are:
1. revisionist history
2. religious bigotry
3. a disneyesque view of humanity
4. progressive indoctrination
5. state sponsored propaganda
6. The 'religion' of Progressivism smearing and demeaning the competition.

 

[usfan]

Girl please. Not everyone cares about Christianity. But most seem to accept the idea of religious freedom regardless. Oh yes the world is so anti Christian. Oh poor Christians.
Please. This ain’t China where you literally can claim persecution.

1. The OP does, and expresses anguish over how to solve the horrible 'problem!' of Christianity. Islam is tacked on for appearances.
2. What did Abraham teach, do, or model to deserve blame for all the evil in the world?
3. The trend now is not 'religious freedom', but homogeneity of belief.. as illustrated by the OP. ..Thanks to constant propaganda from anti-christian institutions.
4. Christianity and Christians HAVE been the target of persecution, since the movement began. Mocking them, based on the current reprieve in western countries, does not diminish the suffering they have endured. In China & other regions, as you alluded to, persecution for Christianity is common.
5. If nobody cares about Christianity, why is it CONSTANTLY the target of hostile bigotry?

 

[Jos]

revisionist history

What is that?

a disneyesque view of humanity

What does that mean?

 

[Jim]

I am well aware of your faith and it is a peaceful loving one IMO a true path to God ...

You might have missed my point in those posts. My point was not about my faith. My point was that the first step that you proposed has already been taken.

Ok so how about forcing the three religions to come up with a new religious book that everyone could use, with all the hatred and violence and indeed any type of prescribed harm being removed. Could that near-impossible step be the first?

That book, exactly precisely as you described it in that post, has already been written, and endorsed by hundreds, possibly thousands of religious leaders of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

BUT the danger we face now, with islamic extremism on one hand and the rise of christian fundamentalism on the other together with general intolerance, increasing antisemitism and Islamophobia, makes me very worried.

Me too. Of all prejudices, those are the ones that I see causing the most grief, and threatening the most to blow up the world.

 

[usfan]

What is that?
What does that mean?

Who?

Why?

 

[Road Warrior]

IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.

Do it the way atheists Stalin and Mao did it.

 

[BilliardsBall]

IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.

Don't be ridiculous! Society should simply promote Scientology as the top religion, since it is an atheist faith. That would solve all the problem. LRH is a GREAT example of an atheist proselytizer!

 

[usfan]

the rise of christian fundamentalism on the other together with general intolerance, increasing antisemitism and Islamophobia, makes me very worried. I am also extremely, extremely upset that all this violence and hatred is being committed in the name of God

Right.. so as i suspected, this is about the 'evil of Christianity!', and not 'abrahamic religions', whatever that means..

The target of your fear and loathing is Christianity, with its inherent 'Islamophobia!', and 'antisemitism!'

'All this violence and hatred!!'.. by 'Christian fundamentalists!' Really?

And something must be done. Christianity is responsible for all the death, oppression, and evil in the entire universe, and should be eradicated.



..progressive indoctrinees..

it would be funny, if you weren't serious..

 

[Jos]

Who?

Why?

Huh?

 

[SomeRandom]

1. The OP does, and expresses anguish over how to solve the horrible 'problem!' of Christianity. Islam is tacked on for appearances.
2. What did Abraham teach, do, or model to deserve blame for all the evil in the world?
3. The trend now is not 'religious freedom', but homogeneity of belief.. as illustrated by the OP. ..Thanks to constant propaganda from anti-christian institutions.
4. Christianity and Christians HAVE been the target of persecution, since the movement began. Mocking them, based on the current reprieve in western countries, does not diminish the suffering they have endured. In China & other regions, as you alluded to, persecution for Christianity is common.
5. If nobody cares about Christianity, why is it CONSTANTLY the target of hostile bigotry?

Okay
Number 1. Yes the OP did state this. Myself and many others of varying religious or even non religious beliefs have expressed disagreement and even disgust at such a sentiment.
Secularists, atheists, heathens, even Satanists constantly fight Christian battles. Opting to go to war over religious freedoms, rather than join in on this so called “persecution.” Pro tip, the persecuted don’t often receive such overwhelming support from society at large. That’s why they’re considered persecuted.
2. How does this unimportant, no one outside of RF gives a damn post, constitute religious prosecution exactly? Are you really telling me that the Supreme Court of the United States of America would even entertain this ridiculous notion? Pull the other one.
Some (not all) Christians have faced the world outwardly with hate and antagonism. The world hit back with exactly that sentiment. Did Jesus not say, do unto others as you would have done unto you? Do you really want to act like a douche and claim that the world is not justified in hitting back?
I have had to forgive my Abrahamic brethren, because his followers (not all) constantly fail to live up to the standards their saviour sought of them. And I continue to endeavour to keep forgiveness in my heart towards my fellow man. I sincerely do, despite my shortcomings. I am constantly going to bat for my Christian brethren in the Hindu DIR, ask anyone here. I do not want there to be bad blood, I want to move beyond the past grudges.
Escalation is not worth it.
3. Why the hell would anti Christian sentiment favour religious freedom? This is some 4D chess bull****.
4. Fair is fair. Christians want to go to the streets and condemn sinners, the world will respond to what it’s given. Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
In this day and age we call that Karma. Or if you prefer, actions and consequences.
Secular society bends over backwards to ensure religious freedoms. As it should. It is a fundamental human right to worship or not worship as a person sees fit. Don’t try to claim persecution because everyone on this very thread including myself has an arsenal of antidotes of persecution. Which includes Christians (some not all) being the instigators. Be careful.
5. Maybe because it constantly shoves itself into public discourse?
When was the last Jewish outcry against working on the Sabbath?
You protest publicly, the public will respond directly. That’s how human nature works.

 

[Lionel Refson]

You might have missed my point in those posts. My point was not about my faith. My point was that the first step that you proposed has already been taken.

That book, exactly precisely as you described it in that post, has already been written, and endorsed by hundreds, possibly thousands of religious leaders of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Me too. Of all prejudices, those are the ones that I see causing the most grief, and threatening the most to blow up the world.

You cannot unite a theft followed by lies followed by lies IMO

 

[We Never Know]

IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.

Are you saying we should ban the belief of others because you don't like it?
Trying to ban what people believe is going to accomplish what?

Would this war on belief be like the war on drugs?

 

[Lionel Refson]

Right.. so as i suspected, this is about the 'evil of Christianity!', and not 'abrahamic religions', whatever that means..

The target of your fear and loathing is Christianity, with its inherent 'Islamophobia!', and 'antisemitism!'

'All this violence and hatred!!'.. by 'Christian fundamentalists!' Really?

And something must be done. Christianity is responsible for all the death, oppression, and evil in the entire universe, and should be eradicated.



..progressive indoctrinees..

it would be funny, if you weren't serious..

wrong!!

 

[shmogie]

No, I would rather pound you than sand with my smart *** answers

LOL ! Another keyboard tough guy