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Link please.Slavery in America began with white Christians shipped from Britain.
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Link please.Slavery in America began with white Christians shipped from Britain.
Slavery in America began with white Christians shipped from Britain.
I found several books. One example:England's "Irish Slaves" Meme: The Numbers - Global Research.Link please.
I found several books. One example:England's "Irish Slaves" Meme: The Numbers - Global Research.
That source seems to confirm that there were some, but downplayed the huge numbers that some sources gave. Plus it appears that many of them were indentured servants. Meaning that once they worked their term of contract they would be free.I found several books. One example:England's "Irish Slaves" Meme: The Numbers - Global Research.
There's this, but I'll find you something specific on the Sugar Jews of Recif, Brazil.
Slavery Timeline 1501-1600 - a Chronology of Slavery, Abolition, and Emancipation
Its well documented in the archives in Brazil and in Holland.
Slavery in Brazil: Brazilian Scholars in the Key Interpretive Debates
First time I learned that when was a kid and read Captain Blood. Some sources say some 300000 people were transported from England to New World. Which is nothing comparing with these guys: Slavery in the Ottoman Empire - WikipediaThat source seems to confirm that there were some, but downplayed the huge numbers that some sources gave. Plus it appears that many of them were indentured servants. Meaning that once they worked their term of contract they would be free.
Yes, some where on contract some with death penalty changed to transportation. Captain Blood (novel) - Wikipedia Something I read when was 10 or so,That source seems to confirm that there were some, but downplayed the huge numbers that some sources gave. Plus it appears that many of them were indentured servants. Meaning that once they worked their term of contract they would be free.
White CargoI found several books. One example:England's "Irish Slaves" Meme: The Numbers - Global Research.
Indeed. But Ham being the father of the black races has never been a doctrine of the church, so far as I know (with the notorious exception of the Dutch Reformed Church, which used this to justify apartheid in S Africa).If you believe in Noah's flood, I suppose its not such a leap to believe Ham was black.
When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
He also said,
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
May God extend Japheth’s territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”
Ham means "hot" or "sunburnt." Cursed by Noah, his sons were Cush, Egypt, Put, and Canaan.
One of Ham's grandsons was Nimrod, a mighty hunter, king over Babel. Nimrod also built the ancient city of Nineveh, which later played a part in the story of Jonah. (Of course Nimrod was also a myth)
What Happened to the Sons of Noah After the Flood?
Slavery in America began with white Christians shipped from Britain.
Looking at your question from a Gods point of view, slavery is a wrong act and leads to suffering for many many human beings. So even it is written about it in different religions, that does not mean it is morally right to keep other human beings as slaves.It's there. We all know its there. I'd like to get into it, listing the arguments I've heard and my refutations of each. I'd welcome people to point out flaws in ny understanding or refutations, and equally as interested to hear new arguments about it.
1: It isn't slavery, it's indetured servitude.
For your hebrew slaves, sure. That rule didnt apply to the slaves taken from other nations, who were bought and sold as property.
2: It's an old testament thing, the new testament releases christians from the old ways
Paul said "slaves, obey your masters, even the cruel ones." It's very much a new testament thing, too.
3: every 50 years they had to let them go
So? 50 minutes of slavery is immoral.
4: In the context of the time there was nothing wrong with it
There're three ways to come at this. The first is we're not in their time, so it's still wrong when preached in our time as the "truth". However, that may be a strawman argument. Another attack could be that if god does offer objective morality, it stands to reason that if it is immoral now, it was immoral then but they got it wrong. My preferred argument is that if you can write off that part of the bible due to historical context, then you can do the same with the notion if god (e.g. it was the only way they could explain the world they lived in and control their people)
5: god is the law on morality, so slavery is moral even if we choose not to accept it.
In that case, so is executing your wife for wearing two types of fabric. If you want to claim that slavery is moral because god said so, you'd be forced to accept every single thing in the bible as your only moral guideline. If you want to try and get me to accept that, you have to first prove that any god exists, then prove that it is the christian god.
Again, more than happy to hear where my reasoning is flawed, please explain though so I can correct it.
Also, I'm not interested in being preached at, so if you're thinking of doing that please don't (especially if you're gonna say that point 5 is correct. you can guarantee I'll burst a vessel trying to ignore those comments)
Nope!Indeed. But Ham being the father of the black races has never been a doctrine of the church, so far as I know (with the notorious exception of the Dutch Reformed Church, which used this to justify apartheid in S Africa).
The Bible was not written down 600 years after Jesus.Looking at your question from a Gods point of view, slavery is a wrong act and leads to suffering for many many human beings. So even it is written about it in different religions, that does not mean it is morally right to keep other human beings as slaves.
So what do we have left then? We can take away the religious aspect of it because religions in itself have nothing to do with slaves. It is a human problem, where human beings want to rule over other human beings, to feel they are in power. So when the scriptures were written down (bible about 600 years after Christ, as far as I know) then the culture of slaves was already there, so the writers did add it to the teachings (in my view they should not do that)
So actually it is more a cultural and human being problem then it is true teaching from a God.
Then i was mistaken in my understanding. Thank you for the clerificationThe Bible was not written down 600 years after Jesus.
The Quran was written 600 years after Christ.
The oldest "complete Bible dates from 360 AD.
the oldest New Testament manuscript fragments date from 80 AD.
The oldest references to the New Testament writings dates from 120 AD.
Just because we dont have the original manuscripts, does not mean that the NT was not in existance at the time of Paul and the Apostles.
Evidence shows that the New Testament was in full use in 69AD already.
Anyhow, the Bible condemns slavery, and what you read in the word "Slave" is something totally different.
Go check out my thread.
Indeed. But Ham being the father of the black races has never been a doctrine of the church, so far as I know (with the notorious exception of the Dutch Reformed Church, which used this to justify apartheid in S Africa).
The Bible was not written down 600 years after Jesus.
The Quran was written 600 years after Christ.
The oldest "complete Bible dates from 360 AD.
the oldest New Testament manuscript fragments date from 80 AD.
The oldest references to the New Testament writings dates from 120 AD.
Just because we dont have the original manuscripts, does not mean that the NT was not in existance at the time of Paul and the Apostles.
Evidence shows that the New Testament was in full use in 69AD already.
Anyhow, the Bible condemns slavery, and what you read in the word "Slave" is something totally different.
Go check out my thread.