Spartan
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I want ones by real scholars, not by liars for the Bible. There are easy ways to see if a source is of that category.
You know, it's really sad to flippantly categorize Bible scholars as liars.
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I want ones by real scholars, not by liars for the Bible. There are easy ways to see if a source is of that category.
No, it is not. Caesar's activities were well documented by contemporary historians. There are no contemporary writings of Jesus. All that you have is hearsay. What is stupid is believing the myth without valid evidence.It's stupid to think that when others from his era write about Caesar that's not hearsay. But when they write about Jesus it's hearsay, right? That's a stupid double standard.
Then why do you do that? As I pointed out, there are ways to see if a source simply lies for Jesus or not. You tend to believe even those that lie for your beliefs.You know, it's really sad to flippantly categorize Bible scholars as liars.
However, since Luke died in the 60's AD there were living people who could refute it.
But there are considerable examples of details brought up by Luke which have born out as true. If Luke can br trusted in what can be checked then he can be trusted in what cannot be checked.
Except that many scriptures and original words were left out of original texts which makes it not perfect word of God.That's like the old "telephone game," right? But in that game there's always someone there who corrects any bad translation.
Modern scholarship DOES NOT RELY on copies of copies of copies... They normally rely on the earliest extant manuscript evidence, which is why your "copies of copies of copies" argument doesn't hold water.
There is no perfection about the so called, 'word of god'!Except that many scriptures and original words were left out of original texts which makes it not perfect word of God.
Strange sense the Bible says he was going to come back at that time before that generation was over.Who knows. But keep your eyes peeled to the East, because Christ is coming back again and all eyes will see him.
Who knows. But keep your eyes peeled to the East, because Christ is coming back again and all eyes will see him.
Funny that, Jesus still hasn't put in an appearance.Strange sense the Bible says he was going to come back at that time before that generation was over.
In the opening of the gospel of Luke, Luke sets out his purpose of collecting eyewitness testimony
and setting down and accurate historical account so that the readers can know the account of Jesus for certain.
In the opening of the gospel of Luke, Luke sets out his purpose of collecting eyewitness testimony
and setting down and accurate historical account so that the readers can know the account of Jesus for certain.
Classical scholar and historian Colin Hemer chronicles Luke’s accuracy in the book of Acts verse by verse. With painstaking detail, Hemer identifies 84 facts in the last 16 chapters of Acts that have been confirmed by historical and archaeological research.1 As you read the following list, keep in mind that Luke did not have access to modern-day maps or nautical charts. Luke accurately records:
1. the natural crossing between correctly named ports (Acts 13:4-5)
2. the proper port (Perga) along the direct destination of a ship crossing from Cyprus (13:13)
3. the proper location of Lycaonia (14:6)
4. the unusual but correct declension of the name Lystra (14:6)
5. the correct language spoken in Lystra—Lycaonian (14:11)
6. two gods known to be so associated—Zeus and Hermes (14:12)
7. the proper port, Attalia, which returning travelers would use (14:25)
8. the correct order of approach to Derbe and then Lystra from the Cilician Gates (16:1; cf. 15:41)
9. the proper form of the name Troas (16:8)
10. the place of a conspicuous sailors’ landmark, Samothrace (16:11)
11. the proper description of Philippi as a Roman colony (16:12)
12. the right location for the river (Gangites) near Philippi (16:13)
13. the proper association of Thyatira as a center of dyeing (16:14)
14. correct designations for the magistrates of the colony (16:22)
15. the proper locations (Amphipolis and Apollonia) where travelers would spend successive nights on this journey (17:1)
16. the presence of a synagogue in Thessalonica (17:1)
17. the proper term (“politarchs”) used of the magistrates there (17:6)
18. the correct implication that sea travel is the most convenient way of reaching Athens, with the favoring east winds of summer sailing (17:14-15)
19. the abundant presence of images in Athens (17:16)
20. the reference to a synagogue in Athens (17:17)
21. the depiction of the Athenian life of philosophical debate in the Agora (17:17)
22. the use of the correct Athenian slang word for Paul (sper-mologos, 17:18) as well as for the court (Areios pagos, 17:19)
23. the proper characterization of the Athenian character (17:21)
24. an altar to an “unknown god” (17:23)
25. the proper reaction of Greek philosophers, who denied the bodily resurrection (17:32)
26. Areopagites as the correct title for a member of the court (17:34)
27. a Corinthian synagogue (18:4)
28. the correct designation of Gallio as proconsul, resident in Corinth (18:12)
29. the bema (judgment seat), which overlooks Corinth’s forum (18:16ff.)
30. the name Tyrannus as attested from Ephesus in first-century inscriptions (19:9)
31. well-known shrines and images of Artemis (19:24)
32. the well-attested “great goddess Artemis” (19:27)
33. that the Ephesian theater was the meeting place of the city (19:29)
34. the correct title grammateus for the chief executive magistrate in Ephesus (19:35)
35. the proper title of honor neokoros, authorized by the Romans (19:35)
36. the correct name to designate the goddess (19:37)
37. the proper term for those holding court (19:38)
38. use of plural anthupatoi, perhaps a remarkable reference to the fact that two men were conjointly exercising the functions of proconsul at this time (19:38)
39. the “regular” assembly, as the precise phrase is attested elsewhere (19:39)
40. use of precise ethnic designation, beroiaios (20:4)
41. employment of the ethnic term Asianos (20:4)
42. the implied recognition of the strategic importance assigned to this city of Troas (20:7ff.)
43. the danger of the coastal trip in this location (20:13) 44. the correct sequence of places (20:14-15)
45. the correct name of the city as a neuter plural (Patara) (21:1)
46. the appropriate route passing across the open sea south of Cyprus favored by persistent northwest winds (21:3)
47. the suitable distance between these cities (21:8)
48. a characteristically Jewish act of piety (21:24)
49. the Jewish law regarding Gentile use of the temple area (21:28) (Archaeological discoveries and quotations from Josephus confirm that Gentiles could be executed for entering the temple area. One inscription reads: “Let no Gentile enter within the balustrade and enclosure surrounding the sanctuary. Whoever is caught will be personally responsible for his consequent death.”2
50. the permanent stationing of a Roman cohort (chiliarch) at Antonia to suppress any disturbance at festival times (21:31)
51. the flight of steps used by the guards (21:31, 35)
52. the common way to obtain Roman citizenship at this time (22:28)
53. the tribune being impressed with Roman rather than Tarsian citizenship (22:29)
54. Ananias being high priest at this time (23:2)
55. Felix being governor at this time (23:34)
56. the natural stopping point on the way to Caesarea (23:31)
57. whose jurisdiction Cilicia was in at the time (23:34)
58. the provincial penal procedure of the time (24:1-9)
59. the name Porcius Festus, which agrees precisely with that given by Josephus (24:27)
60. the right of appeal for Roman citizens (25:11)
61. the correct legal formula (25:18)
62. the characteristic form of reference to the emperor at the time (25:26)
63. the best shipping lanes at the time (27:5)
64. the common bonding of Cilicia and Pamphylia (27:4)
65. the principal port to find a ship sailing to Italy (27:5-6)
66. the slow passage to Cnidus, in the face of the typical northwest wind (27:7)
67. the right route to sail, in view of the winds (27:7)
68. the locations of Fair Havens and the neighboring site of Lasea (27:8)
69. Fair Havens as a poorly sheltered roadstead (27:12)
70. a noted tendency of a south wind in these climes to back suddenly to a violent northeaster, the well-known gregale (27:13)
71. the nature of a square-rigged ancient ship, having no option but to be driven before a gale (27:15)
72. the precise place and name of this island (27:16)
73. the appropriate maneuvers for the safety of the ship in its particular plight (27:16)
74. the fourteenth night—a remarkable calculation, based inevitably on a compounding of estimates and probabilities, confirmed in the judgment of experienced Mediterranean navigators (27:27)
75. the proper term of the time for the Adriatic (27:27)
76. the precise term (Bolisantes) for taking soundings, and the correct depth of the water near Malta (27:28)
77. a position that suits the probable line of approach of a ship released to run before an easterly wind (27:39)
78. the severe liability on guards who permitted a prisoner to escape (27:42)
79. the local people and superstitions of the day (28:4-6)
80. the proper title protos tÓs nÓsou (28:7)
81. Rhegium as a refuge to await a southerly wind to carry them through the strait (28:13)
82. Appii Forum and Tres Tabernae as correctly placed stopping places on the Appian Way (28:15)
83. appropriate means of custody with Roman soldiers (28:16)
84. the conditions of imprisonment, living “at his own expense” (8:30-31)
Is there any doubt that Luke was an eyewitness to these events or at least had access to reliable eyewitness testimony? What more could he have done to prove his authenticity as a historian?
Source: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615
Strange sense the Bible says he was going to come back at that time before that generation was over.
Except that many scriptures and original words were left out of original texts which makes it not perfect word of God.
Yes, the author of Luke was a careful geometer. He was not a careful historian as shown by his Nativity of Christ.
For the life of me I cannot understand how Christians conflate geometry and history.
Hey, I love that guy's videos. A real detective style analysis.There is substantial evidence
but as far as details Luke brings up in Luke and Acts they are substantial
They are also consistent with other accounts in the Bible
How did Luke know that the testimony was 'eyewitness' truth?In the opening of the gospel of Luke, Luke sets out his purpose of collecting eyewitness testimony
and setting down and accurate historical account so that the readers can know the account of Jesus for certain.
In the opening of the gospel of Luke, Luke sets out his purpose of collecting eyewitness testimony
and setting down and accurate historical account so that the readers can know the account of Jesus for certain.
How did Luke know that the testimony was 'eyewitness' truth?
And in Luke's reckoning, what year was Jesus born in?
This has nothing to do with religious versus non-religious, and very little with lying versus honesty.
Myth: Eyewitness Testimony is the Best Kind of Evidence
In terms of the thread title, referring to Luke as a historian is an interesting stretch. In what sense is that accurate?