Questioning God's Morality

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑​

If you lived in 1850, you could have had the above post printed as an editorial in any paper in Dixie America.

This is exactly the sort of nonsense that Southerners used to justify owning slaves.

I never knew Satan occupied the tree of good and evil.. I thought the snake was about dueling religions.. Snake worship was popular all over the Middle East, Egypt and the Indus Valley long before Adam and Eve.

Perhaps you meant to address that reply to someone else.

 

[sooda]

ecco said: ↑​

If you lived in 1850, you could have had the above post printed as an editorial in any paper in Dixie America.

This is exactly the sort of nonsense that Southerners used to justify owning slaves.

Perhaps you meant to address that reply to someone else.

That's weird. Thanks.

 

[ecco]

There is much hullabaloo over people wanting God to stop slavery
and the irony I see on this is:
you believe he don't exist so why would you want "a non existent being" stop slavery?
now who is out of his mind? Sometimes I find it really funny.

Where did I ever say I believed God should have stopped slavery?
I have commented that people who do believe in God have used scripture to justify their ownership of slaves.

Perhaps you need to take a step back and try to understand what other people write before responding.

 

[ecco]

In my country, we detest any form of rape or sexual crimes - including pedophilia
An accused suspect would consider himself lucky if he manages to live in a week behind bars.
That is how tough and unforgiving our laws have on these things.

That he is killed while in prison is not a reflection of your "tough laws". It is a reflection of the lawlessness that takes place in your prisons.

 

[ecco]

‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

So at the end of the day, God is good.

·tricks [or seduces]

a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes

ONLY FOR ISRAELITES

Exodus 22:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
·tricks [or seduces]
ONLY FOR ISRAELITES

Why do you think it is necessary to use 5 and 6 point bolded, underlined, colored text for us to understand what you are writing? If your writing is clear and concise, that is not necessary.

 

[MJFlores]

You do know that Jews are not a race?

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-3 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group and a nation, originating from the Israelites and Hebrews of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish people, while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance.

Jews - Wikipedia

 

[MJFlores]

That he is killed while in prison is not a reflection of your "tough laws". It is a reflection of the lawlessness that takes place in your prisons.

I will drink to that.

 

[MJFlores]

Why do you think it is necessary to use 5 and 6 point bolded, underlined, colored text for us to understand what you are writing? If your writing is clear and concise, that is not necessary.

So you could see I am stressing a point. <<<< point stressed.

 

[ecco]

So you could see I am stressing a point. <<<< point stressed.

Occasional use of italics, bolds, and colors can be used to stress points.

When overdone, nothing is stressed and the entire post just becomes a glaring jumble of mish-mash.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Occasional use of italics, bolds, and colors can be used to stress points.

When overdone, nothing is stressed and the entire post just becomes a glaring jumble of mish-mash.

There is a term for that. It is called Green Ink:

Green ink - RationalWiki

 

[MJFlores]

Occasional use of italics, bolds, and colors can be used to stress points.

When overdone, nothing is stressed and the entire post just becomes a glaring jumble of mish-mash.

I'll drink to that!
It's like BING, BING!
Doesn't make sense but stressed something.

 

[ecco]

I'll drink to that!
It's like BING, BING!
Doesn't make sense but stressed something.

Proving the old adage that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Proving the old adage that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

LOL! You really should have checked out the link on Green Ink. It could not have been more appropriate considering the post that followed.

 

[MJFlores]

Proving the old adage that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

LOL! You really should have checked out the link on Green Ink. It could not have been more appropriate considering the post that followed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Keeping the following two passages in mind.

Malachi 3:6
6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

2 Tim. 3: 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

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consider:

1) God's pitiful sense of morality concerning slavery

Exodus 21: 1-2
1 Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.

Exodus 21:7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Exodus 21:20-21
20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.​

2) God's dreadful morality concerning raped virgins

Exodus 22:16
“If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife.​

So, just what kind of god sanctions slavery, and condemns virgins to marry their rapists? Certainly not a kind and loving god.

AND, why aren't Christians following his orders today?

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Don't give them ideas. They might become Wahhabis. (Not like that already has been done in the past)

 

[74x12]

Keeping the following two passages in mind.

Malachi 3:6
6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

2 Tim. 3: 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

​

consider:

1) God's pitiful sense of morality concerning slavery

Exodus 21: 1-2
1 Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.

Exodus 21:7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Exodus 21:20-21
20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.​

2) God's dreadful morality concerning raped virgins

Exodus 22:16
“If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife.​

So, just what kind of god sanctions slavery, and condemns virgins to marry their rapists? Certainly not a kind and loving god.

AND, why aren't Christians following his orders today?

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You don't understand the Bible. It was both a religious law designed to bring people closer to God and it was also a civil law regulating life in a bronze age society.

Jesus claimed that God never liked divorce; yet God allowed divorce in the Law of Moses because of the hardness of the people's hearts. So, obviously I believe the same about slavery. It would be foolish of us to think that God ever really liked slavery. But going back in time and telling bronze age people not to have slaves wouldn't go over well. The Law of Moses was already pushing the boundaries in many other ways. For example the concept that you couldn't have idols or other gods. That was almost too much. God didn't want a complete revolution overthrowing society as they knew it. The Hebrew people were very skeptical of Moses and God. They barely accepted Moses or the Law. They would not have accepted it as it was without many signs and miracles. An unreasonable law like banning slavery or divorce could have given them an excuse to not accept it at all.

The way God works is to bring people closer to Him. It's just like the dawn when you see the sun rising then the light gradually increases until you have full day. So God wants to rise in people's hearts if they'll let Him. So God tells people not to despise the day of "small things" because everything God does is big but you have to give it time. So people should consider that before they criticize the Law of Moses.

Christianity is the reason that slavery ever ended. It was at least nominally Christian countries that began to condemn slavery first in the world.

 

[74x12]

People are so concerned with slavery these days. Real slavery from God's perspective is to be enslaved to sin and that's what God hates the most. The Law of Moses gave people a way to be free. So it was the --at the time-- the ultimate anti-slavery document.

 

[Woberts]

Christianity is the reason that slavery ever ended. It was at least nominally Christian countries that began to condemn slavery first in the world.

Imagine believing this but unironically.

 

[74x12]

Imagine believing this but unironically.

This is how much I care about your opinion: " " See anything in those quotation marks? ... Didn't think so.

So hit me with the facts if you have any. Imagine if you unironically did have facts?

Show us which non-Christian country was first to stop slavery and the whole world followed their example.

 

[Woberts]

This is how much I care about your opinion: " " See anything in those quotation marks? ... Didn't think so.

So hit me with the facts if you have any. Imagine if you unironically did have facts?

Show us which non-Christian country was first to stop slavery and the whole world followed their example.

Christian countries didn't ban slavery. Secular ones did. Nice false dichotomy. Even then, an atheist country was the first to ban ALL forms of slavery.