Fruit of "We are God!"

[SalixIncendium]

I in no way at all replied to that remark about childbirth.

But you can run with it, if it helps your view.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This is just the absolute height of unrealistic arrogance. I think it comes from this prophet's insistence in infallibility. Most folks can easily admit when they don't know something, or don't have the ability to understand. It's a very simple exercise in humility. Then again, apparently not that simple. "perfect in every way."

You are changing what was said.

I see every persons potential is unlimited , but lets say so we can visulise it that each person has the potential to be an ocean.

One may choose to be a drop, one a rainstorm, one a brook, one a river and some take on the ocean.

Thus I see our potential requires great effort. It does not just happen.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

One of the main points of the Baha'i Faith is that God is one and all people are one and all religions are one. They seem to have a hard time hitting that point too. It seems to me more like... there is one God, our God, all people can be one if they believe like us, and all religions are one when they quit believing what they think is true and start believing what we say is true. But, other than that, I think they are the coolest of all the proselytizing religions. They are so nice about trying to get people to believe like they do.

 

[Etritonakin]

There is a certainty in these statements that the speaker is confident they have a grasp on who and what is God.

As I see this is not an easy task, I thus propose a hypothetical be considerd.

If the Message given by Baha'u'llah in the 1800's is indeed from God and was the fulfillment of Gods promises in the past Holy Books. If we then do not accept and connect with that message, or God forbid even reject that Message, how good an experience did we have of our Godly side? How well did we get to know God within?

This hypothetical can be expanded and have any Name of any of God's Messengers and time-line inserted. We could use Moses, Christ, Muhammad, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha to name a few.

Thus I guess the hypothetical could rightly ask, "if God has revealed Himself in all these Names and we reject any one of them, how good a grasp did we have of our own selves, let alone the God that is within?

Regards Tony

God has revealed and concealed himself as he has willed. Many have claimed to be of God, but have not been.
He will cause us to accept and reject correctly according to his plan.

 

[sayak83]

This is a continuation of the other thread about the ways of God.
Some of the RF members said, We are God, in a sense that God is not separated. Some gave an analogy of drops of water in an ocean.

Question is, how fruitful and real is this belief that we are all God?!! Wouldn't the fruit of such a belief be "Vainglory" . To claim and think as part of a God!
I also don't understand how this belief can be reconciled with so much evilness and selfishness in the World. If we are all God, having such a divine and great nature, how come so many people have been killing others, doing wrongdoings or, being unfair. We live in a world that, there are so much poverty, and yet, there are so many selfish people who cannot even count their own money due to excessive wealth. How can we be divine or part of divinity with all these selfishness and wrongdoings?!

If we are all God, then by evil acts one is hurting God directly because the other person is also God. Vainglory comes by saying I am God (or closer to God) and you are not.
Suffering comes from the false belief that we are not God. That creates a sense of intrinsic seperation from God, an alienation. That negativity feeds in all acts creating evil. The sense of "Me" as being distinct from "you" or the "world" is the root cause of all suffering. Differentiation without distinction (as wave shapes in water) is the hallmark of the creative nature of the monistic Brahman that is the root of this world and our Selves. We have failed to cognize that non-distinctness resulting in deluded actions that cause suffering and evil.
Is that clear?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If we are all God, then by evil acts one is hurting God directly because the other person is also God. Vainglory comes by saying I am God (or closer to God) and you are not.
Suffering comes from the false belief that we are not God. That creates a sense of intrinsic seperation from God, an alienation. That negativity feeds in all acts creating evil. The sense of "Me" as being distinct from "you" or the "world" is the root cause of all suffering. Differentiation without distinction (as wave shapes in water) is the hallmark of the creative nature of the monistic Brahman that is the root of this world and our Selves. We have failed to cognize that non-distinctness resulting in deluded actions that cause suffering and evil.
Is that clear?

Somewhat clear, except a bit lost at the final comments, thank you.

I personally see what I beleive in most of what you have offered, with the only difference that I see the potential is in us to be Godly, not that I am God.

That in turn should not divide, as I see it brings about the same aims, as other remarks are consistant with what I have found, such as;

We are to only look for God in all People.

We are to only look for and portray the God within us.

If each sees in the other the Beauty of God reflected in the soul, and finding this point of similarity, then all are attracted to one another in Love.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

I dont assume a time. Brahman is not a creator? He is not just?

Nor is 'he' a "he'. If there ever was a good example of projecting your paradigm onto the Eastern one, this is it.

 

[Vinayaka]

I in no way at all replied to that remark about childbirth.

But you can run with it, if it helps your view.

Regards Tony

So you can admit to not being able to truly understand the gender differences. That's quite brave, does show some humility. East/west paradigm differences are nearly as large, but you can't see that?

 

[Vinayaka]

We must all have the capacity and if one thinks others do not have the capacity, what does that say about that thought?

We? I freely admit to not having the capacity to understand a lot of stuff.

 

[Remté]

He will cause us to accept and reject correctly according to his plan.

Explanation?

 

[sayak83]

Somewhat clear, except a bit lost at the final comments, thank you.

I personally see what I beleive in most of what you have offered, with the only difference that I see the potential is in us to be Godly, not that I am God.

That in turn should not divide, as I see it brings about the same aims, as other remarks are consistant with what I have found, such as;

We are to only look for God in all People.

We are to only look for and portray the God within us.

If each sees in the other the Beauty of God reflected in the soul, and finding this point of similarity, then all are attracted to one another in Love.

Regards Tony

A tree is differentiated, but it is not a set of distinct entities. That's the idea of differentiation without distinction. Leaf is as much a tree as the bark or the root. But they are differentiated aspects of the same "whole unity" of the tree.

 

[Vinayaka]

A tree is differentiated, but it is not a set of distinct entities. That's the idea of differentiation without distinction. Leaf is as much a tree as the bark or the root. But they are differentiated aspects of the same "whole unity" of the tree.

In some trees, the leaves can be poisonous, (or flavorful) while the bark is good for stuff. So it's best to distinguish. Using this analogy for the various religious paradigms, best to distinguish also. Else you might be poisoned.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So you can admit to not being able to truly understand the gender differences. That's quite brave, does show some humility. East/west paradigm differences are nearly as large, but you can't see that?

Those differences would be of our making is my thought.

We are one human race and all need to be as one. A unity of spirit in our diversity

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

A tree is differentiated, but it is not a set of distinct entities. That's the idea of differentiation without distinction. Leaf is as much a tree as the bark or the root. But they are differentiated aspects of the same "whole unity" of the tree.

Thank you, that makes that aspect clear and I agree.

I would add that I see the tree of God is bigger than life on this planet. Thus there is a forrest of trees in just this universe. I also see there are an unfathomable amount of Gods Creations, each having a forrest of trees.

Thus on earth I see humanity are part of but one tree in this universe. I would see the human race as the Fruits of One Tree or the leaves of One Branch.

We are yet to find what else we need to embrace. We are not alone as the human race, we are not the only people of a God given capacity.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Those differences would be of our making is my thought.

We are one human race and all need to be as one. A unity of spirit in our diversity

How can we make ourselves different? Diversity is as natural as the diverse plants on this planet. Are you saying we're all born the same?

 

[Vinayaka]

We are yet to find what else we need to embrace. We are not alone as the human race, we are not the only people of a God given capacity.

We? Speak for yourself. I feel most people on this planet have embraced what they wish to. I certainly have.

 

[Vinayaka]

I in no way at all replied to that remark about childbirth.

But you can run with it, if it helps your view.

Regards Tony

Certainly didn't make that clear until this post. I listed a whole bunch of things, and you said 'I'm certain all have that capacity." Maybe next time delete what you wish from my post, that you're not responding to.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I will never understand advanced Calculus. Lots of people simply do not have the capacity to understand certain things. To think that everyone can understand anything is pure folly. In a couple of years of discussing here, you have failed to understand much of mystic Hinduism at all. Similarly, I have failed to understand folks who follow a book based prophet religion. The physicist doesn't understand what a brain surgeon can do.

Besides, many things can't be understood without experience. Have you felt darshan? Does a man know what it's like to experience childbirth? Please don't proclaim your arrogance on that one.

I honestly think all people can understand different para. if they took the time to open up to the experience, understanding, and reflection. For example, I know nothing about Brain Surgery. Although I had it and was a patient, but I don't know how they actually opened my skull, removed skin, and used pliers (I saw a youtube video on it....) yet, I can take classes and do it myself if I want to take the time and effort to learn both academically and experiential.

However, it does take time, effort, and will to want to learn from experience without judging and comparing. Maybe @InvestigateTruth can know about certain things but it would take years upon years upon lifetimes to get to that point. That, and he would have to be open insofar that his own religion doesn't put barriers between wanting knowledge vs. experience. It's possible but would people want to leave their bias at the door to train and actually trust in the whole process rather than eclectic surface understanding.

 

[Vinayaka]

I honestly think all people can understand different para. if they took the time to open up to the experience, understanding, and reflection. For example, I know nothing about Brain Surgery. Although I had it and was a patient, but I don't know how they actually opened my skull, removed skin, and used pliers (I saw a youtube video on it....) yet, I can take classes and do it myself if I want to take the time and effort to learn both academically and experiential.

However, it does take time, effort, and will to want to learn from experience without judging and comparing. Maybe @InvestigateTruth can know about certain things but it would take years upon years upon lifetimes to get to that point. That, and he would have to be open insofar that his own religion doesn't put barriers between wanting knowledge vs. experience. It's possible but would people want to leave their bias at the door to train and actually trust in the whole process rather than eclectic surface understanding.

More than what is currently going on, for sure. But to the extent an expert in any field knows, I don't think so. Some things just can't be taught.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

More than what is currently going on, for sure. But to the extent an expert in any field knows, I don't think so. Some things just
can't be taught.

Not an expert, of course. A practitioner. But, I'm just being optimistic Many people find their "path" all the time. A lot of is trusting the process.

But, I'm speaking in general. I know I won't figure out Hinduism; but, not many of us can, well, edit...admit.. to say the same.