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Question for all of the atheists on here

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
While I find cell studies interesting, it is not incredible to say that life did not emerge from a soupy mass. Life cannot be said with authority to have emerged and eventually evolved out of the soupy mass.
It is quite incredible to claim that mankind was created from dirt and a woman made from a rib, or even that a god of some description poofed things into existence through supernatural means.
And no offence but can I ask, what is your acedemic background specifically?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, no, no. You made the claim first and I asked for evidence. After you give yours then you can ask me to support my claim. Or you could admit that you have nothing and then you can politely ask for evidence. I will gladly comply.
So why is it that human apes (as you call them, more or less), wear clothing for the most part, but ape-apes do not? What happened? Something must have intervened somewhere. There is a distinct marking there, regardless of any proof you claim to support your contention in reference to apes and humans. From shrimp to human apes. OK. :) Apes hang nicely from trees, humans generally do not.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Fine. But we all know you won't support your claim. You will deny my source. It's your norm from what I have seen

The 500-600BC was only thought because many scholars didn't think writings in Hebrew went back any further. However it has been found Hebrew writing goes back to at least 1000BC.
Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests
If you read that the writing on the pottery is similar to several texts, it is not an inscription from the Bible. It only shows that they could write back then. It does not support the claim of an old.Bible at all. But if you read It it does support my claim of the oldest part of the Bible being from the sixth century BCE.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So why is it that human apes (as you call them, more or less), wear clothing for the most part, but ape-apes do not? What happened? Something must have intervened somewhere. There is a distinct marking there, regardless of any proof you claim to support your contention in reference to apes and humans. From shrimp to human apes. OK. :) Apes hang nicely from trees, humans generally do not.

Why does it offend you that you evolved from ape ancestors?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So why is it that human apes (as you call them, more or less), wear clothing for the most part, but ape-apes do not? What happened? Something must have intervened somewhere. There is a distinct marking there, regardless of any proof you claim to support your contention in reference to apes and humans. From shrimp to human apes. OK. :) Apes hang nicely from trees, humans generally do not.
That is because man invented clothing. It is a very minor difference and not a biological difference.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If you read that the writing on the pottery is similar to several texts, it is not an inscription from the Bible. It only shows that they could write back then. It does not support the claim of an old.Bible at all. But if you read It it does support my claim of the oldest part of the Bible being from the sixth century BCE.

Nope. It has many Hebrew words on it. And what do you expect to find from over 3000 years ago, a newspaper.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I learned evolution in high school, and was interested enough in biology to take biological evolution in college. One course. That was enough for me to figure that it was nuts. But at the time I didn't know or believe what the Bible said. I would think or talk about evolution as if it were true, but that's all I knew. If you want to distinguish evolution with the soupy mass 'scientists' say some elements emerged from somehow and jumped into breath eventually, that's up to you. So tell me how did the first "living matter" happen, and then evolved? From a soupy mass? This is not quite like a detective story. P.S. You may call me stupid if you like. But not too often, then it can become offensive.
Why not ask someone with some expertise on the subject if you’re really that curious? Honestly it’s like trying to ask a mathematics teacher about the literary merit of Homer’s Odyssey.
I don’t know how life started, I’m not a scientist. I’m not afraid to admit my lack of knowledge.

But man doing a whole one college course on evolution and then claiming that it looks far fetched is like claiming to understand Network Engineering with only a certificate 3 in IT under your belt. That’s pretty hubristic and is not a particularly intelligent thing to say. And no, that is not me calling you stupid. That’s me calling you uneducated. There’s a difference.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Nope. It has many Hebrew words on it. And what do you expect to find from over 3000 years ago, a newspaper.
so what? That only tells us that the language is older. It says nothing about the age of the Bible. The Lord of the Rings could have been written in the 1500's since English existed as a language then. That does not mean it was written then.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If you read that the writing on the pottery is similar to several texts, it is not an inscription from the Bible. It only shows that they could write back then. It does not support the claim of an old.Bible at all. But if you read It it does support my claim of the oldest part of the Bible being from the sixth century BCE.

It supports Hebrew is older that 500BC as scholars previously thought and used to estimate the bible writings of genesis.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
so what? That only tells us that the language is older. It says nothing about the age of the Bible. The Lord of the Rings could have been written in the 1500's since English existed as a language then. That does not mean it was written then.

Those scholars only dated the bible around 500BC based upon they didn't think the language existed before then. Clearly it did.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It is quite incredible to claim that mankind was created from dirt and a woman made from a rib, or even that a god of some description poofed things into existence through supernatural means.
And no offence but can I ask, what is your acedemic background specifically?
As I said, when I went to high school and took biology there, the main thrust was evolution. \I was an honor student. I say this because I studied, and did well on the tests. I received scholarships, but my main interest was not biology. However, I read what I can in many areas. I did not know, believe, or understand that Bible at the time. While it seems astounding that man was created from the dust, or the earth, it seems reasonable to me at this point. I was not there when God made the heavens and the earth, so I cannot say exactly how He did it. I did not see Him do it. I accept the Bible's description of the first woman. Anyway, humans had to come (male AND female) from somewhere. They are too much not alike but alike at the same time to have come about at the very same time. One amazingly needs the other to reproduce. It can't be done between ape and humans. When I think of the human heart, that it beats without being plugged into something, that in itself is enough to convince me that life such as that did not evolve, but was made by a higher power with design. Religion has been confusing people for millenia. That does not mean that God is not the Creator.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
So humans didn't come from apes? Or did they? When I went to school, biology taught that evolution was true, and that man emerged from apes. Nothing was taught about religion or creation there. (Nothing.)
Humans are classified as a subspecies of ape. Meaning they ARE apes.
Honestly I learned that back in primary school, never mind high school. That’s a concept so very basic I’m shocked you didn’t immediately call out the teacher for being a twat.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I Saw that. Your article supports my claim, it only says that it was possible for the Bible to have been written earlier.

But here is a wiki article on Genesis and it makes the same claim:

Book of Genesis - Wikipedia

From your wiki link "Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BC, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BC .

Yawist, the postulated author or authors of parts of the first six books of the Bible, in which God is regularly named Yahweh.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Those scholars only dated the bible around 500BC based upon they didn't think the language existed before then. Clearly it did.
Which brings up another point about
Humans are classified as a subspecies of ape. Meaning they ARE apes.
Honestly I learned that back in primary school, never mind high school. That’s a concept so very basic I’m shocked you didn’t immediately call out the teacher for being a twat.
You know I don't think the teacher said humans are apes. But that they came from apes. The pictures themselves show man as he was emerging from apes. Apes still stayed apes, and humans became humans and stayed that way, insofar as I remember the teaching. Basic facts are, nevertheless, that apes do not give birth to humans, no matter you want to call humans apes.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
As I said, when I went to high school and took biology there, the main thrust was evolution. \I was an honor student. I say this because I studied, and did well on the tests. I received scholarships, but my main interest was not biology. However, I read what I can in many areas. I did not know, believe, or understand that Bible at the time. While it seems astounding that man was created from the dust, or the earth, it seems reasonable to me at this point. I was not there when God made the heavens and the earth, so I cannot say exactly how He did it. I did not see Him do it. I accept the Bible's description of the first woman. Anyway, humans had to come (male AND female) from somewhere. They are too much not alike but alike at the same time to have come about at the very same time. One amazingly needs the other to reproduce. It can't be done between ape and humans. When I think of the human heart, that it beats without being plugged into something, that in itself is enough to convince me that life such as that did not evolve, but was made by a higher power with design. Religion has been confusing people for millenia. That does not mean that God is not the Creator.
Chimps cannot breed with gorillas or orangutans. Your breeding argument fails. We share a common ancestor with other apes. Chimps and humans are more closely related to each other than either is to gorillas, our next closest relative.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
From your wiki link "Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BC, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BC .

Yawist, the postulated author or authors of parts of the first six books of the Bible, in which God is regularly named Yahweh.
You should have kept reading. That is n longer accepted.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Which brings up another point about

You know I don't think the teacher said humans are apes. But that they came from apes. The pictures themselves show man as he was emerging from apes. Apes still stayed apes, and humans became humans and stayed that way, insofar as I remember the teaching. Basic facts are, nevertheless, that apes do not give birth to humans, no matter you want to call humans apes.
Yes, evolution in schools is often taught incorrectly, especially anything that is lower than a college level class.
 
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