"Virginia Senate Passes Bill Allowing Guns in Church (Because God’s Not Enough)"

[Skwim]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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[Revoltingest]

Makes sense to me.
It's pretty obvious that God has force field keeping out malefactors.

 

[Jose Fly]

It's interesting how when the shootings are at schools, a common narrative from conservative Christians is "This is what happens when you take God out of the schools".

So does this now mean they've taken God out of the churches too?

 

[BSM1]

Well you never know when Satan going to show up...

 

[Revoltingest]

Well you never know when Satan going to show up...

Satan favors gun rights.
How else can His faithful survive with all these violent believers making continual war?

To follow He who's rubicund
there's a danger posed to one
by those believers,
explosive heavers.
So Annie, I say git yer gun.

Like it or not, I need to get one of those out of my system every now & then.

 

[Revoltingest]

So does this now mean they've taken God out of the churches too?

Did he ever live in them?


OK, OK...cheap shot, I know.
But I know I beat some other jerk to it.

 

[nPeace]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

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Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

Apparently.
Looks like the wolves ears are clearly sticking out the wool. Or the entire wool covering fell off. Poor wolves.

The good thing about it, is that the shepherds will have no trouble picking out the sheep, and picking off the wolves... or goats. Matthew 25:31-46

 

[nPeace]

I would think people with Concealed Carry License already carry anyway, I don't understand the statement of taking prayer out of schools though. I can go in any school in America today and pray, but to shove my beliefs and faith on someone else, well that's not what Jesus did. He never forced someone to follow Him or to pray. Never understood the whole fuss about no prayer in schools, sure there is!

I think the reason they took prayers - actually religious services out of school, was due to the diversity of religious views among students, as well as non-religious.
So perhaps complaints were made about having to take prayers although not holding to the same worship.
Just a guess. I haven't researched the facts.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

America boasted many forefathers and mothers who secured this nation as a free country due to guns.

Anti-gun nuts are always against gun until they need to call for help a group of people deputized to use one.

There are schools where teachers are armed. I guess that's because an unarmed principle isn't enough to stop psychopaths carrying guns and looking to commit mass murder on unarmed innocent kids.

Amazing isn't it?
A lunatic with a duffel bag full of weapons goes to town in a school, or from the top floor of a Vegas hotel, killing unsuspecting concert goers below and everybody is shocked, crying, praying, and demanding guns be outlawed.
But let a bunch of people petition for and be allowed to be innocent people with the right to armed self defense against such lunacy, and they're jeered.

This won't mean anything to non-Christians , but remember, the first murder in history was committed with a.......ROCK!
Guns are not the issue.

Savage brutal homicidal lunatics are the issue. If guns didn't exist, we'd read headlines where a car was used as a weapon.
Oh, that's right! That's already made headlines.

Let's outlaw cars!

 

[Ellen Brown]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

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Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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I won't mention the TWO denominations where there is a member that is designated to carry a Gun. Where I live there is a Concealed Carry Permit, that makes it legal.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If you're gonna let guns in, why not put in wifi as well, so some of the less interested can watch porn during the boring parts of the service?

Might actually put a few more bums in pews...

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

I would think people with Concealed Carry License already carry anyway, I don't understand the statement of taking prayer out of schools though. I can go in any school in America today and pray, but to shove my beliefs and faith on someone else, well that's not what Jesus did. He never forced someone to follow Him or to pray. Never understood the whole fuss about no prayer in schools, sure there is!

In actual fact, prayer was never and as you rightly observe, can never be removed from school. Especially as long as schools give tests. Lord knows.
What was outlawed was publicly led prayer in school. Like over the intercom or a teacher leading the whole assembly of students in a prayer to Allah, Jesus, Krishna, etc...

There isn't a court on earth that can stop any religious individual from praying anywhere they choose. We pray silently whenever we wish. Anyone can do this.
Public display is typically not condoned. Though this doesn't apply in American public schools for Muslims. Nor does an anti-religious atheist organization threaten said public school if said Muslim(s) continue in that vein.
That's just a special attention Christians are sure to receive from such a group.

*my edit/addition to title
FFRF, students, end graduation (*Christian) prayers

 

[Epic Beard Man]

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

The place where my dad goes, their armed to the sky. Their all undercover, they've got navy seal guys, current military people, the area is full of military and government employee families. They all go to this navy seal like firearm range and do some training on "what if" situations, and of course shoot the guns off too. Now that's not counting the already law enforcement whose already paid to be there too, there's like 6 to 8 of them as well.

Good!
The dumbest installation of signage on any public property was that which informed potential threats, NO GUN ZONE.
Translation, armed as a lunatic looking for innocent people to kill? You'll meet no resistance in the areas that lay beyond this sign.
And they were right!

Sign Outside Christian School: “Staff Is Armed And Trained”
Posted on August 26, 2013 by Philip Hodges

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

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Great Britain, London. Very strict gun control laws. Until recently not even the regular cops were allowed to be armed. A special branch of police , allowed weapons, would have to be dispatched to a violent scene were the unarmed police there unable to contain it. That's a lot of wasted time when lives are at stake. Because gun control laws control people who obey laws.

Lee Rigby.
Slaughtered on a street in Woolwich England by two Muslim, English men who converted to Islam, terrorists. These butchers used cleavers and machete and butchered Mr.Rigby in broad daylight while unarmed citizens watched and/or recorded the murder on their phones. That isn't paint on the one suspects hands.

People called police. But the armed branch weren't immediately dispatched. That was later after Mr.Rigby was cleaved apart because he was a soldier in the British army.
Oh, that's right, he wasn't on the front lines. He was in the band!

What would have happened to these Muslim terrorists if instead of phones, one British citizen had a weapon they knew how to use responsibly?
Would Mr. Rigby be alive? And the Muslim terrorist assailants shot dead?
We'll never know.
That's how it happens in a disarmed country.

Guns aren't the problem. Homicidal maniacs are the problem.
Innocent people who can defend themselves with a weapon, a gun? More likely to insure homicidal maniacs are no longer a problem.

These terrorists didn't use guns. They used bladed weapons.

 

[Skwim]

I would think people with Concealed Carry License already carry anyway, I don't understand the statement of taking prayer out of schools though. I can go in any school in America today and pray, but to shove my beliefs and faith on someone else, well that's not what Jesus did. He never forced someone to follow Him or to pray.

The prayer in school issue centered around classroom, principally teacher, led prayers.

Never understood the whole fuss about no prayer in schools, sure there is!

A lot of people don't think the government, which includes teachers, has any business supporting religion in public schools.

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[Skwim]

I won't mention the TWO denominations where there is a member that is designated to carry a Gun. Where I live there is a Concealed Carry Permit, that makes it legal.

From what I gather, under this bill the firearm could be carried out in the open.

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[Revoltingest]

From what I gather, under this bill the firearm could be carried out in the open.

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We can legally carry in the open in MI.
Very very few do.
It's not a problem.

 

[Skwim]

We can legally carry in the open in MI.
Very very few do.
It's not a problem.

My impression was that guns in church were against the law.

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[Revoltingest]

My impression was that guns in church were against the law.

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As I recall, they are here.
But you spoke of open carry.
I addressed that in general.