Is it possible?

[shunyadragon]

Is it possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path that is the "right one" ?

The one you follow is the right for you, but maybe not for others,or?

That is not the reality of by far most beliefs including yours. The Unitarian Universalists come the closest. The Baha'i Faith acknowledges the progressive spiritual relationship of religions over time, and the ultimate judgement is the 'Source' some call God(s) and not humans.

Would you advocate that someone who advocated violence and evil as a religion right for them,but maybe not others?

 

[Vinayaka]

It's impossible to know the actual effects of pretty much any action we take. Even though we really like to imagine that we do know. I think the better course is to try and be as honest and articulate as possible when we do choose to engage, and then accept that everyone else can and will take it or leave it as they see fit. And that's just as it should be. My responsibility is not to convince anyone, or even to enlighten them. My responsibility is just to share whatever I think I know, as a gift, without strings, and then move on.

Sure, key being 'moving on'.

 

[George-ananda]

Is it possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path that is the "right one" ?

The one you follow is the right for you, but maybe not for others,or?

Many of us are already doing that. So, it's possible.

 

[Shantanu]

...nor is it fact...

It is only undesirable because it is unattainable not because it is not a fact.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That is not the reality of by far most beliefs including yours. The Unitarian Universalists come the closest. The Baha'i Faith acknowledges the progressive spiritual relationship of religions over time, and the ultimate judgement is the 'Source' some call God(s) and not humans.

Would you advocate that someone who advocated violence and evil as a religion right for them,but maybe not others?

I would not advocate evil paths no. but if it is what some believe to be true for them, it is their choice to follow it, they would see it as a rightroues path

 

[shunyadragon]

I would not advocate evil paths no. but if it is what some believe to be true for them, it is their choice to follow it, they would see it as a rightroues path

This is a contradiction. Would you consider the Nazis of Germany a righteous path?

 

[BSM1]

This is a contradiction. Would you consider the Nazis of Germany a righteous path?

I think you're confusing righteousness with truth. The two are not necessarily the same. Were the Nazis righteous? Not in the eyes of decent society. Was this their 'truth'? Absolutely.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is a contradiction. Would you consider the Nazis of Germany a righteous path?

No that was pure evil.

But i can not judge someone for the path they take or what they believe, one can only "judge" someone out of action speech and thoughts. so when someone who follow a dark path say or do something evil, thats the time one can judge it out of a moral and ethic view point

 

[shunyadragon]

I think you're confusing righteousness with truth. The two are not necessarily the same. Were the Nazis righteous? Not in the eyes of decent society. Was this their 'truth'? Absolutely.

The previous post referred to righteous.

There is no their 'truth,' and the reality of 'truth' is an abstraction beyond human judgement.

 

[nPeace]

Is it possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path that is the "right one" ?

The one you follow is the right for you, but maybe not for others,or?

If there were no reason for the fighting... sure.
However, the reason for the fighting still remains, so no - it is not possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path is the "right one".

Some see it as a fight between those on the side of truth, and those against truth, if that's what you mean.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If there were no reason for the fighting... sure.
However, the reason for the fighting still remains, so no - it is not possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path is the "right one".

Some see it as a fight between those on the side of truth, and those against truth, if that's what you mean.

Yes i thought about people think like what you describe.
But why fight about what others believe? Yes one can disagree about the understanding of a religion,but to tell someone "No you are wrong because you do not believe like me" that attitude i do not understand. Why can we not instead be curiouse to"why" they believe what they do, and try to see truth from their P.O.V ?

Example i know that Muslims do get a lot of hate toward them in the world, But does the persons who are making the critique actually try to learn why muslims do what they do? And No the terrorists are not true muslims, they are extremists who has misunderstood the path

 

[nPeace]

Yes i thought about people think like what you describe.
But why fight about what others believe? Yes one can disagree about the understanding of a religion,but to tell someone "No you are wrong because you do not believe like me" that attitude i do not understand. Why can we not instead be curiouse to"why" they believe what they do, and try to see truth from their P.O.V ?

Example i know that Muslims do get a lot of hate toward them in the world, But does the persons who are making the critique actually try to learn why muslims do what they do? And No the terrorists are not true muslims, they are extremists who has misunderstood the path

I agree with you, that there is no need to take the above mentioned attitude, but rather to have a more reasoning approach.
However, do you think I can have a reasoning approach, if I am not taught how, but rather I am taught to be aggressive, and prejudiced? Why are we usually aggressive? Are we born this way, or do we learn this way?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I agree with you, that there is no need to take the above mentioned attitude, but rather to have a more reasoning approach.
However, do you think I can have a reasoning approach, if I am not taught how, but rather I am taught to be aggressive, and prejudiced? Why are we usually aggressive? Are we born this way, or do we learn this way?

It is people around us who teach us to hate, but we our self are the one who can stop the hate and become rightroues. we ust work with our morality and our ethic to we do not hate,

 

[Ancient Soul]

Is it possible to stop fighting over what religion/spiritual path that is the "right one" ?

The one you follow is the right for you, but maybe not for others,or?

While my intent on forums is most always misconstrued, I have never debated with the claim that "my way" is the right way. I have always been consistent in using my spiritual understandings to show how false, spiritually void, and just plain senseless some religion's mythologies are. And how wrong it is for anyone to follow such a spiritually dead end mythology.

 

[nPeace]

It is people around us who teach us to hate, but we our self are the one who can stop the hate and become rightroues. we ust work with our morality and our ethic to we do not hate,

I agree it's up to us, but consider this.
If you were raised by a baboon from a baby, how long might it take before your behavior can be unlearned?
Think of this also. Just suppose that humans found you, and tried to rescue you, but you viewed them as a threat, and snarled (is that what baboon do? Baboon noises I mean. ) at them, and fought them off along with the other baboons... Take it a step further. What if you preferred the the wild beast, to the humans, and it were possible for you to live among various wild animals, and learn their behavior?

That my friend, represents our world.
So how do you suppose such beasts can be tamed? What's your suggestion?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I agree it's up to us, but consider this.
If you were raised by a baboon from a baby, how long might it take before your behavior can be unlearned?
Think of this also. Just suppose that humans found you, and tried to rescue you, but you viewed them as a threat, and snarled (is that what baboon do? Baboon noises I mean. ) at them, and fought them off along with the other baboons... Take it a step further. What if you preferred the the wild beast, to the humans, and it were possible for you to live among various wild animals, and learn their behavior?

That my friend, represents our world.
So how do you suppose such beasts can be tamed? What's your suggestion?

I do not know if i can get animals to understand how to be good to each other all the time, But i know that if human beings are teached a morally right way of living it is possible to help even the most stubborn nonbeliver. But i do not expect to be easy or take a short time.

Living among wild animals is not more difficult then living with wild human beings, and wild human beings actually are more dangeroues because they understand what they do when they do wrong toward others

 

[nPeace]

I do not know if i can get animals to understand how to be good to each other all the time, But i know that if human beings are teached a morally right way of living it is possible to help even the most stubborn nonbeliver. But i do not expect to be easy or take a short time.

Living among wild animals is not more difficult then living with wild human beings, and wild human beings actually are more dangeroues because they understand what they do when they do wrong toward others

But i know that if human beings are teached a morally right way of living it is possible to help even the most stubborn nonbeliver. But i do not expect to be easy or take a short time.

Exactly I agree.
This is why the prophecies in Isaiah 2:2-4, and chapter 11 means so much to JWs.
It has a number of applications.
Ancient, modern day, and future.
In our modern day, we see people with beast-like attitudes transformed into peace-loving attitudes, due to the teachings they receive.
Taming the Caged
Transforming Lives
Teachings that Change Lives

So yes, proper teachings are what can change the most stubborn wild beast there is, but as you rightly said, it's up to us, so it still depends on us - if we want to live by the principles that work, and are good for us.

The future fulfillment of those two prophecies will however, take place, but in that case, it will not be up to us. All persons will live in peace, and there will be no "stubborn beast", because only those who submit willingly to the good teachings, will live. The stubborn beast-like ones will be permanently removed forever. Matthew 25:31-46; Psalms 37:9-11.

That way, they will truly beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning shears, and nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore, because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters cover the sea.

For now though... you know what.

 

[Spirit of Light]

[QUOTE=" For now though... you know what.[/QUOTE]

Please tell me

 

[nPeace]

Please tell me

For now it's what we see - what you described in the OP.
It is not only the situation with religion, but look at the grim picture in the world - wars among nations, neighbors, families; raping, and murdering among nations, neighbors, families.

No amount of lamenting, "Why can't we live as brothers and sisters in peace?" will change the situation for the better.
Only God's kingdom - his government in the hands of his anointed Christ - will change the situation for the better.

So for me, the message is, "Either be a beast, where it's 'survival of the fittest', or get on the side of the kingdom." How?
Every government has an educational program. God's government has one too. It's free. So apply for it. Online or at home.

 

[Spirit of Light]

For now it's what we see - what you described in the OP.
It is not only the situation with religion, but look at the grim picture in the world - wars among nations, neighbors, families; raping, and murdering among nations, neighbors, families.

No amount of lamenting, "Why can't we live as brothers and sisters in peace?" will change the situation for the better.
Only God's kingdom - his government in the hands of his anointed Christ - will change the situation for the better.

So for me, the message is, "Either be a beast, where it's 'survival of the fittest', or get on the side of the kingdom." How?
Every government has an educational program. God's government has one too. It's free. So apply for it. Online or at home.

I respect your religion and your faith in it, but i have already a path with in buddhism i follow but yes for christians the path of Jesus and God is the right path