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Being objective in religion

David T

David T

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Sunstone said:
Sounds like a great idea, but very hard to execute.
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I would debate that objective religion is a total fabrication.
youknowme said:
It all looks the same to me, just people making stuff up then pretending their version is "better". I reject it all, even those non-believers that claim to be nonreligious then spend a godawful amount of time talking about God. Nobody knows squat, and no that does not make me agnostic; they are the worst of the bunch always pretending they are better, because they have taken the "middle ground."

It is all just a bunch of ego poo flinging if you ask me.
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Oh now, you are complaining about normal. The intellect tends to fall deeply in love of its own reflection. If it didnt artists would have no purpose!
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
robocop (actually) said:
If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.
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To me being objective means being an atheist. I can look at the core idea behind all of these religions without having a belief invested in any of them. No personal bias about having a need for anyone of them to be true.

Probably not what you meant but I suppose it works the same if'ing I held a particular desire to spread atheism.
 
David T

David T

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BSM1 said:
Uhhh...religion, by it's very existence, has to be totally subjective. Don't you agree?
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Oh thats a whole huge can of worms. Thats why i stick to music and mockery and tomfoolery. And within all rules of RF. Speaking of which i believe satan created semitones And mozart. I think i read it in the bible.


There i got an I BELIEVE out today that was so "normal" so fun. I MANAGED MUSIC MOCKERY AND TOMFOOLERY IN ONE POST! WHO EVER TOM IS THAT IS.
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
youknowme said:
What else did you expect? Religion is subjective and you can't force it to become objective by calling for objectivity.
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I believe that the further disconnected, or away from something you are, the more you can be objective. So, like a marriage counsellor in a marriage counselling situation, has a much higher likelihood of remaining objective than either person directly involved.
 
David T

David T

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Premium Member
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robocop (actually) said:
If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.
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all i am saying here below image is how religion tends to present itself today. Just saying...

It has clueless leadership selected by clueless individuals in the pews. Religion isnt alone in that but it does seem to attempt to perfect it.
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youknowme

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Vinayaka said:
I believe that the further disconnected, or away from something you are, the more you can be objective. So, like a marriage counsellor in a marriage counselling situation, has a much higher likelihood of remaining objective than either person directly involved.
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Got any proof of this? Or is that just your opinion?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
robocop (actually) said:
If you want to spread your religion or have a better understanding of yours, I think it helps to be objective.

Objective means, "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."

I would redefine it as, "conveyed with reasons that will make sense to many different people instead of something that other people don't know what is good about".

If we have reasons to give for what we believe in our religions, we have a better chance of passing them off. Sometimes part of the religion is believed because it is a piece of the whole religion which has reasons.

Now that I am baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I hope to be objective so people can have a chance to fairly decide if they like my religion. I believe that you can only know something as well as you know the opposite to be wrong, so I will talk about many other things besides just the LDS Church in my efforts.
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How do you be objective about religion when the definition of it varies by person and thereby will always be subjective?

How do you be objective when someone says god-saved-him?

You can ask for the logic behind it. However, the logic would be based on the criteria that believer has not the person asking.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
David T said:
I mighr say presenta
all i am saying here below image is how religion tends to present itself today. Just saying...

It has clueless leadership selected by clueless individuals in the pews. Religion isnt alone in that but it does seem to attempt to perfect it.
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Priesthood in the Catholic Church - Wikipedia
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