Teacher: Christian faith prohibits treating transgendered students with respect and dignity

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Compelled speech and forced validation, nothing more. He made a compromise but that was rejected.

Nonsense. Calling people what they ask to be called is simple, basic respect. You know, like teachers are required to demonstrate.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

And you would likely lose and be poorer for it.

Religious liberty and free speech are human rights.

 

[Curious George]

He deserved to be fired. "Christian faith" requires nothing of the sort.

What is more, even if he was able to hide behind "the Christian faith" it would not protect him. While schools cannot discriminate based on faith, they do not have to accommodate academically disruptive behaviors.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Religious liberty and free speech are human rights, and you are using the strawman fallacy. He did not say not to respect people, he just reserves the right to religious liberty and free speech. If I were him, I would sue on First Amendment grounds.

You don't have the right to violate rules and expectations of your workplace. That's what he was fired for. It's the same as if he viewed black people as inferior and got fired for calling a black student a racial slur. He has the "right" to hold bigoted views but not to treat a student differently due to them.

 

[YmirGF]

Religious liberty and free speech are human rights.

Tell that to the judge.

 

[Curious George]

Religious liberty and free speech are human rights.

And how exactly do you believe this is relevant here?

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

Tell that to the judge.

I am not the actual teacher, but I support his rights. I have also no respect for liberal liars or conservative con artists, and find it hypocritical when the far left ONLY goes after Christians.

 

[Curious George]

I am not the actual teacher, but I support his rights. I have also no respect for liberal liars or conservative con artists, and find it hypocritical when the far left ONLY goes after Christians.

I would think any teacher who took such a stand should have their employment terminated. While I might favor not renewing their contract and finding a workaround for the school year, I wouldn't want a teacher determined to make a scene in the classroom. If the school has a child registered as a male, and the child has stated his preference for male pronouns, then the teacher can use those pronouns.

 

[YmirGF]

Not all ideas deserve respect. Not understanding is one thing but being disrespectful, making it a point to call someone what they do not want to be called and refusing budge on the issue is not a "free speech" matter. He was making the classroom into a hostile place and discriminating against a student. He was disrupting the learning environment.

I honestly don't understand gay people defending this sort of stuff. This trend of oppressed minorities punching down to feel better about themselves is shameful.

I agree that what the teacher did was wrong especially with the guidelines in place in the education system. He MUST have known that he was going against policy/law in his work environment. Ok... bear with me....
Because he MUST have known what he was doing would be judged as being wrong he obviously decided to take a stand. It HAD to have been a conscious effort, so yes, this was clearly discriminatory and I am now changing my tune to that he should have been terminated. He knew what he was doing and he knew the consequences. Perhaps the suggestion that he seems himself as a little Jordan Peterson has some validity to it.


All that aside, I stand by my determination that the Transgender community is in the middle of a massive community relations disaster.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I agree that what the teacher did was wrong especially with the guidelines in place in the education system. He MUST have known that he was going against policy/law in his work environment. Ok... bear with me....
Because he MUST have known what he was doing would be judged as being wrong he obviously decided to take a stand. It HAD to have been a conscious effort, so yes, this was clearly discriminatory and I am now changing my tune to that he should have been terminated. He knew what he was doing and he knew the consequences. Perhaps the suggestion that he seems himself as a little Jordan Peterson has some validity to it.


All that aside, I stand by my determination that the Transgender community is in the middle of a massive community relations disaster.

And I stand by my view that trans people aren't in a different boat than gays when it comes to PR. You haven't noticed the homophobes whining about being sued over the cakes? Why single out trans people?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Religious liberty and free speech are human rights.

Yes, but when one takes on certain jobs those rights are curtailed due to interaction with the public. As a school teacher his rights to express his religious beliefs are limited. For example a biology teacher will not be able to espouse creationist beliefs in most states. Those beliefs are not supported by science. This is a similar situation. When one takes a job dealing with the public one needs to be aware that one does not have the same rights as he has in private life.

 

[YmirGF]

And I stand by my view that trans people aren't in a different boat than gays when it comes to PR. You haven't noticed the homophobes whining about being sued over the cakes? Why single out trans people?

Actually, at first I bridled a bit over this, but I think you are right. The blame for the cluster**** belongs to the LGBT community as well.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Actually, at first I bridled a bit over this, but I think you are right. The blame for the cluster**** belongs to the LGBT community as well.

That's all ask for here - fairness.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It is a bit of an object lesson for anyone hell bent on standing up for their principles. Those days are over, unless of course, your principles are in alignment with political correct doctrine, then you can do whatever you like.

You're welcome to stand up for your principles. I like to think that I stand up for mine pretty consistently.
It's possible, of course, that the school board in this case felt like they were standing up for theirs, and for the student involved.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The teacher should have just used his name and kept mum on the rest. Just call it like it is. A transgenderd person.

Nobody should be forced to say anything they don't want to say.

He's not. He can quit.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Religious liberty and free speech are human rights.

Freedom of speech does not include the right to bully and discriminate against people to whom you have a duty of care. Religious freedom means you can believe as you wish and worship as you wish. It isn't a get out of gaol free card for otherwise unacceptable behaviour.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I'm of the opinion that pretending is not going to make it the real thing just because a person decides to slap on surgically, a penis, vagina, or some boobs on their body. Hermaphrodites are different story for which it's clearly a natural third sex in my opinion for which two pronouns would apply, should the parents decide one sex or another then one desire pronoun would be sufficient.

I never said that a person who is transgender however should be completely disregarded with their wishes. But I also feel that if a person does not want to address another person when it comes to pronouns, that person should retain that right to just stay silent on the issue and not say anything about it at all. If the teacher was just being an ******* to the student, and press the issue, then I can see disciplinary measures.

For a society and or Institution to force a person to say one thing or another under some kind of idiotic threat of not being PC enough , that Society can **** off with hopefully a stern reminder that such a society or business still has a lot of growing up still to do.

He's a teacher. That comes with certain responsibilities and commitments in terms of treating students with respect. Said as an ex-teacher.
It is not immature to respect the wishes of a student where those wishes solely relate to the student themselves. If a kid wanted to be called 'Dave' and I persisted in calling him 'David', I'm being an arse, basically.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The teacher should have just used his name and kept mum on the rest. Just call it like it is. A transgenderd person.

Correct. Most people over the age of 10 know enough to choose words diplomatically. The fact he chose not to suggests he knowingly wanted to play the "ZOMG, so persecuted!" game.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

Freedom of speech does not include the right to bully and discriminate against people to whom you have a duty of care. Religious freedom means you can believe as you wish and worship as you wish. It isn't a get out of gaol free card for otherwise unacceptable behaviour.

The government has no right to dictate religious liberty and free speech.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Compelled speech and forced validation, nothing more. He made a compromise but that was rejected.

Maybe. I'd loved to have been a fly in the wall to see how that played out.