We Are All Born Muslim

[stvdv]

1: I'm sure everyone will all agree that we are all born Muslim.. lol jk
1: In Islam everyone is born a Muslim and it is his/hers parents (along with social circles) that bring the child away from Islam.
2: The Prophet (saws) said that every child is born in Fitrah. In Islam this means a state of purity and connection to God.
3: When I say God I mean the ultimate force that gives us life not a bearded guy in the clouds.
4: In Islam it is not looked at as a religion but just the natural way of life. We are the worlds most looked down upon and knowing that raises me up.

1: "Embodyments of Divine Love" my Master mostly started His discourse with. I liked that one.
2: Good to read, much better than born sinner some Christians tried to convince me of. My Master also said we are all born pure
3: Ultimate force makes more sense to me than a bearded guy in the clouds
4: That is my feeling also. Spiritual life is the natural way of life.

We are the worlds most looked down upon and knowing that raises me up
Interesting you say this. My Master always said "Bless the ones who criticizes you because he takes your karma". Once a girl kept on criticizing me and when I just kept quiet she said "why don't you get upset and criticize me". So I told her "You get karma, I get rid of karma", how can I get mad at you? I do feel little bad for you, you taking all my heavy karma onto you, but hey that is your choice, not mine.

 

[InChrist]

I was born into a Catholic family and baptized into the Catholic church as an infant.
Twenty-eight years later I trusted Jesus Christ as my Savior and was born again from above.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:3-5

 

[DustyFeet]

I want to shine light on the actuality of it.

more light please and thank you

 

[stvdv]

Yes, God is unconditional. Good point.

Glad to hear from a Muslim that God is unconditional.

 

[Dawnofhope]

The words may mean different to people here but that's why I want to shine light on the actuality of it and not just what the news and google say.

That is commendable. I too believe in the prophet Muhammad and the Holy Quran so not infrequently become a defacto apologist for the original Islam as you are here. We need more Muslims on this forum for balance, not less. However those Muslims need to be effective communicators. Often the Muslims who come here don’t have English as their first language or they haven’t been raised in Western culture. The bridge then becomes too much and many give up in frustration. That in turn says a lot about the culture of RF, which appears to be somewhat entrenched too. That’s what I see happening on this thread unfortunately. Maybe you can be the one to help make the change but I can’t see it happening with this thread.

 

[icehorse]

As the only Muslim in this current thread ill answer... Yes. Its sad how you view and look down upon Islam. Id rather suffer than be the type to judge someone else.

Oh pu-leeease!

You started a thread that was clearly propaganda. Propaganda is basically dishonest. Now we're supposed to feel bad? If ANY group of people initiate contact via propaganda they should expect to be looked down on. The OP was disrespectful, and if you claim ignorance, I won't buy it.

 

[rosends]

It seems like a semantic argument.

Let "alive and breathing" = "Islam"

if born(yes)="alive"
then born(yes)="Islam"

which is fine as long as it goes, except for a couple of things:

1. The same word "Islam" at some point begins to refer to something textual, codified and organized beyond simple existence. Using the same word to refer to two different conditions leads to problems

2. On page 1 or 2, a Hindu pointed out that to his understanding

"alive and breathing"="Hindu" so by virtue of A=B and B=C, A=C and therefore

all born(yes)=Islam=Hindu (and then Islam=Hindu)

but the response was to say that "Hindu" referred to a religion, not a state of being whereas Islam refers to a state of being. That seems a bit hypocritical.

3. The question was raised, then, that Islam need not ever be taught because if it is simply the state of existence then it should develop naturally from the human condition in the absence of proactive contrary teaching. But Muslim communities haven't spontaneously arisen any more than spontaneous other religion-communities have.

Just a few random thoughts.

 

[stvdv]

I'm sure everyone will all agree that we are all born Muslim..

Spoiler: "a" definition of Muslim

A Muslim (Arabic: مُسلِم‎) is someone who follows or practices Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion.Muslims consider the Quran, their holy book, to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet and messenger Muhammad. ... "Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "submitter" (to God).

I'm sure you will also agree that we are all born Hindus. The final path I learned from my Master is "Sharanagathi" = surrender to God

 

[Curious George]

Haha I have no agenda. Just sharing my beliefs like anyone else on this site. Yet the one Muslim has to have an agenda?

I don't necessarily think you have an agenda anymore than I think new atheists have an agenda when they make the claim that all babies are atheists.

I do recognize how tgis narrative of babies are x, can lead to or encourage an agenda.

The thrust is that a baby is x so it is somehow wrong to make a baby not x. With theists the wrongness comes from turning the individual away from some god, gods, or spirituality. With mew Atheists it comes with "indoctrinating" some child into such beliefs.

I think belief systems that promote such beliefs, whether it is believing the definitions of new atheism or believing the definitions supposed by various religions, are dangerous.

 

[viole]

I'm sure everyone will all agree that we are all born Muslim..
lol jk

In Islam everyone is born a Muslim and it is his/hers parents (along with social circles) that bring the child away from Islam.

The Prophet (saws) said that every child is born in Fitrah. In Islam this means a state of purity and connection to God.

When I say God I mean the ultimate force that gives us life not a bearded guy in the clouds.

In Islam it is not looked at as a religion but just the natural way of life. We are the worlds most looked down upon and knowing that raises me up.

I am not sure you are doing a service to your religion by advertising that. It is actually the most arrogant thing you can say, and I am afraid that Islam in the western world has enough PR issues already....adding that kids are born Muslim is not going to help. I think I understand what you mean, but westerners are ready to pull the (judgement) trigger on claims like that.

Nobody is born a Muslim. Nobody is born a Christian, either. And nobody is born Jujuist at the bottom of the sea either. Not Apolloist, nor anything else humans made up.

To claim otherwise is child intellectual abuse.

Ciao

- viole

 

[AdamRaja]

1: "Embodyments of Divine Love" my Master mostly started His discourse with. I liked that one.
2: Good to read, much better than born sinner some Christians tried to convince me of. My Master also said we are all born pure
3: Ultimate force makes more sense to me than a bearded guy in the clouds
4: That is my feeling also. Spiritual life is the natural way of life.

We are the worlds most looked down upon and knowing that raises me up
Interesting you say this. My Master always said "Bless the ones who criticizes you because he takes your karma". Once a girl kept on criticizing me and when I just kept quiet she said "why don't you get upset and criticize me". So I told her "You get karma, I get rid of karma", how can I get mad at you? I do feel little bad for you, you taking all my heavy karma onto you, but hey that is your choice, not mine.

What? lol

 

[AdamRaja]

more light please and thank you

Just clean your feet for goodness sake. lol

 

[AdamRaja]

That is commendable. I too believe in the prophet Muhammad and the Holy Quran so not infrequently become a defacto apologist for the original Islam as you are here. We need more Muslims on this forum for balance, not less. However those Muslims need to be effective communicators. Often the Muslims who come here don’t have English as their first language or they haven’t been raised in Western culture. The bridge then becomes too much and many give up in frustration. That in turn says a lot about the culture of RF, which appears to be somewhat entrenched too. That’s what I see happening on this thread unfortunately. Maybe you can be the one to help make the change but I can’t see it happening with this thread.

Me either. But I can try.

 

[AdamRaja]

Oh pu-leeease!

You started a thread that was clearly propaganda. Propaganda is basically dishonest. Now we're supposed to feel bad? If ANY group of people initiate contact via propaganda they should expect to be looked down on. The OP was disrespectful, and if you claim ignorance, I won't buy it.

No it wasn't. Just my belief. People can critic me all day but I share what I think and it's propaganda.

 

[viole]

The feeling of unity with all. A sense of closeness to the source. I was a skeptical atheist at one point in my life. Then I had personal experiences that was mind melting and reassuring. That doesn't prove anything to you.. But it does to me. Which gives me a sense of urgency to want to share the love and understanding just to try and help someone who was in my place.

Did that personal experience come from a God your parents, or cultural group, believe in? I ask, because there seems to be a statistical correlation between experiences and upbringing. For instance, I hear similar, if not identical, stories from Christians. I was a wreck, and then Jesus saved me. and stuff like that.

What do you think is the source of that correlation? Does God wears different costumes depending on people's culture?

Ciao

- viole

 

[AdamRaja]

Spoiler: "a" definition of Muslim

A Muslim (Arabic: مُسلِم‎) is someone who follows or practices Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion.Muslims consider the Quran, their holy book, to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet and messenger Muhammad. ... "Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "submitter" (to God).

I'm sure you will also agree that we are all born Hindus. The final path I learned from my Master is "Sharanagathi" = surrender to God

Yeah I was totally serious in that sentence lol.

 

[AdamRaja]

I don't necessarily think you have an agenda anymore than I think new atheists have an agenda when they make the claim that all babies are atheists.

I do recognize how tgis narrative of babies are x, can lead to or encourage an agenda.

The thrust is that a baby is x so it is somehow wrong to make a baby not x. With theists the wrongness comes from turning the individual away from some god, gods, or spirituality. With mew Atheists it comes with "indoctrinating" some child into such beliefs.

I think belief systems that promote such beliefs, whether it is believing the definitions of new atheism or believing the definitions supposed by various religions, are dangerous.

Nice! Thanks Mr. George.

 

[stvdv]

I don't necessarily think you have an agenda anymore than I think new atheists have an agenda when they make the claim that all babies are atheists.

I never heard the claim "that all babies are atheists"; it's a nice claim. Probably atheist are not that big on proselytizing.

 

[Curious George]

Nice! Thanks Mr. George.

Absolutely!

Cheers.

 

[AdamRaja]

I am not sure you are doing a service to your religion by advertising that. It is actually the most arrogant thing you can say, and I am afraid that Islam in the western world has enough PR issues already....adding that kids are born Muslim is not going to help. I think I understand what you mean, but westerners are ready to pull the (judgement) trigger on claims like that.

Nobody is born a Muslim. Nobody is born a Christian, either. And nobody is born Jujuist at the bottom of the sea either. Not Apolloist, nor anything else humans made up.

To claim otherwise is child intellectual abuse.

Ciao

- viole

I disagree..