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So I am a prochoice Christian, and I want to debate Christians about whether I am a contradiction or not. I believe personhood and rights becin when the fetus first has brainwaves.
I meant abortion and consensual assisted suicide. I can't have children, but I feel I have the right to choose how and when I die, unless Jesus says otherwise.I know the Bible rather well.
There is no Scriptural reason to oppose elective abortion.
Assuming that is what you meant by "pro-choice".
Tom
Show me what Jesus said about abortion.Since I believe that life begins at conception, there is no reason to define life as brainwaves. What about heartbeat?
When does God believe that life begins......? It's his process, so when does it begin in his eyes? How can it not be at conception?
How do you come to your conclusion?
I think the question should be "Does God agree with my position". Having a free will, you can do just about anything.So I am a prochoice Christian, and I want to debate Christians about whether I am a contradiction or not. I believe personhood and rights becin when the fetus first has brainwaves.
Why brainwaves?I believe personhood and rights becin when the fetus first has brainwaves.
You can't show me anything Jesus said at all. The closest you can come is to quote somebody making claims about what He said.Show me what Jesus said about abortion.
It's much easier then that. To be pro-choice simply means that one believes humans have the right to choose for themselves whether they will carry through a pregnancy. Being pro-choice does not inhibit any Christian from choosing to carry their own pregnancies through to birth based on their faith. So ANY Christian can be pro-choice, because being pro-choice does not necessitate being pro-abortion.So I am a prochoice Christian, and I want to debate Christians about whether I am a contradiction or not. I believe personhood and rights becin when the fetus first has brainwaves.
Show me what Jesus said about taking cocaine.Show me what Jesus said about abortion.
Show me what Jesus said about abortion.
I am, however, extremely pro-choice. I firmly support everybody's right to choose not to engage in behavior that could result in pregnancy, if they don't want to become a parent.
To be pro-choice simply means that one believes humans have the right to choose for themselves whether they will carry through a pregnancy.
No one is "pro-feticide". No one is advocating for the killing of human fetuses for the sake of killing them. And no one thinks an abortion is a good solution to an unwanted pregnancy. But unwanted pregnancies do occur, and they are not occurring by anyone's deliberate choice. So the question of what to do about such a circumstance exists.I don't think so.
I see what is usually called "pro-choice" as kinda the opposite. It's "pro-feticide" . Using feticide to unChoose a choice that was already made.
Tom
Someone forgot to tell this 21week old baby in the womb that he isn't a person yet when he held the surgeons hand.That last post is largely false. The first Christians would have been raised in the Jewish belief that human life begins at birth. Later the church was influenced by pagan philosophers, some of whom held that it began at conception, some at quickening; the last was the view of St Thomas. I read the other day that St Hildegard's herbal included abortifacients! The Catholic doctrine that life begins at conception only became official in the 19th century.
That's interesting, I was recently wondering if it should be at the brain level. Now I somewhat am pro-choice and if that offends you please don't read the next paragraph.So I am a prochoice Christian, and I want to debate Christians about whether I am a contradiction or not. I believe personhood and rights becin when the fetus first has brainwaves.
"And the Lord did lay forth a line upon the table, and his disciples did raise their spoons on high and partake, one followed by the other, until they were all thoroughly convinced of the truth of the matter, whatever that was." 4 Jn. 1:25Show me what Jesus said about taking cocaine.
This simply isn't true. The earliest Christian writings which mention the subject unanimously condemn abortion at all stages. See the Didache and the selected quotations of the Church Fathers.a member said:This post was removed by the RF staff
Apparently that one way to translate it. It says specifically not to kill a child just born, however some translators feel it is against aborting a fetus.This simply isn't true. The Didache, a first century Christian writing, explicitly condemns abortion.